Suggestions for textbooks (CM and E&M)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around recommendations for textbooks in classical mechanics (CM) and electromagnetism (E&M) suitable for a sophomore applied mathematics major looking to self-study physics. Participants share their experiences and suggest various texts, emphasizing the importance of worked problems and solutions manuals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a textbook for intermediate mechanics that includes worked problems and a solutions manual.
  • Another suggests "Shadowitz - The Electromagnetic Field" for E&M, noting it provides answers to odd-numbered questions and worked examples.
  • Several participants discuss the high cost of classical mechanics textbooks and recommend looking for used copies or older editions.
  • Recommendations for classical mechanics include "Classical Mechanics" by Goldstein et al., which some find accessible, and "Mathematical Methods of Classical Mechanics" by Arnold, which is described as more mathematical.
  • For E&M, participants mention "Introduction to Electrodynamics" by Griffiths as a good starting point, along with several other advanced texts like "Classical Electrodynamics" by Jackson and "Electrodynamics and Classical Theory of Fields and Particles" by Barut.
  • One participant highlights the changes made in the third edition of "Electricity and Magnetism" by Purcell and Morin, noting the addition of appendices and more problems with detailed solutions.
  • There is a discussion about the difficulty of Landau's texts, with some suggesting they are better suited for readers who have already studied other classical mechanics and E&M books.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the suitability of various textbooks, with no clear consensus on which is the best choice for transitioning from introductory to more advanced physics. Some participants agree on the value of certain texts, while others caution that they may not be ideal for all learners.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the variability in textbook pricing and availability, as well as the differences in content and approach among recommended texts. There is also mention of the potential challenges in transitioning from introductory to advanced physics material.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for undergraduate students in applied mathematics or physics looking for self-study resources in classical mechanics and electromagnetism, as well as educators seeking textbook recommendations.

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I am a sophomore applied mathematics major and would like to teach myself some physics. I can I would like suggestions on a good book on intermediate mechanics. I have looked up the pre-reqs at my college and I have already have taken those classes.

I would like a book that has worked out problems, so I can see how to do the problems. I would also like a book with good problems, so I can practice how to do them. Books with a solutions manual is a must, as I need to make sure I am doing the problems right.
 
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Does intermediate mean that you know and are comfortable using vector calculus? If so, this looks like a nice E&M book that reaches deeply enough that something like Jackson would follow it:

Shadowitz - The Electromagnetic Field

I don't know if it has a solutions manual but answers to odd-numbered questions are provided and it has worked examples, so this should be enough to verify if you are answering the questions correctly.

Remember that the math is a language so you don't want to get bogged down in technicalities of language. To learn the physics, the math must flow like words, full of meaning, and it looks like it does in this book.
 
PotM said:
I have looked up the pre-reqs at my college and I have already have taken those classes.

And which classes might those be? :smile:
 
I don't have a recommendation for CM because those books seem to be very expensive. Your best bet is to find used college books locally, ask around at college and you're sure to find people selling their old books.
 
Classes

Those classes would be Calc III and Ordinary Differential Equations. I did very well in both of those classes. I am also taking Linear algebra in the fall. I wanted to start with Mechanics and then work on Electricity and Magnetism.

The Shadowitz E&M book looks good. Thank you, verty. I would still like a classical mechanics book that goes beyond first year physics (which I have taken and aced as well).
 
verty said:
I don't have a recommendation for CM because those books seem to be very expensive. Your best bet is to find used college books locally, ask around at college and you're sure to find people selling their old books.

used copies of old editions can often be found for cheap online - amazon isn't a bad place to look. For example, I learned from the third edition of Marion and Thornton (and paid a bundle for it when I took the class):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/015507640X/?tag=pfamazon01-20

<$10 US shipped! Likewise Morin's book can be found for <$30 shipped. Taylor's book doesn't seem to be available so cheap, though. I will not recommend a book as I primarily just know the one linked above (was reasonably clear and had good topics, but is probably nothing special), but just want the OP to know that cheap is possible. Also the OP needs to know that when moving beyond intro level classes, solutions are few and far between. One alternative is to find class web pages that post solutions to problems in a book of interest ... I have done this and it has helped.

jason
 
You give few details on your background.

Keep in mind that for many classical physics is interesting primarily for historical reasons and to teach serve as background for modern physics.

First I would recommend
Theoretical Physics by Georg Joos
It covers a broad overview of physics and cost ~5$ so it is a good supplement.

For mechanics I would suggest
Classical Mechanics by Herbert Goldstein, Charles P. Poole Jr. and John L. Safko
Some would say an easier book should be read first, but I find it very accessible and adequate in coverage of basic and essential topics. Many of the easier books omit key material or offer poor explanations and you will want to read Goldstein after anyway.
A more mathematical if quirky book is
Mathematical Methods of Classical Mechanics by V. I. Arnold

For electromagnetism it is a bit different as several more advanced books claim to start from the beginning they are lying so a basic book is helpful
Introduction to Electrodynamics by David J. Griffiths
despite some flaws is a good first look (skip all the remedial calculus parts if you do not need them)
Several books you might like to look at that have been helpful to me are
Classical Electrodynamics by John David Jackson
You will probably like to look at this so you won't feel left out when physicists talk about it. It is prized for its mathematical calisthenics and confusing incomplete explanations.
Principles of Electrodynamics by Melvin Schwartz
Very good especially on relativity
Electrodynamics and Classical Theory of Fields and Particles by A. O. Barut
This book is very nice and makes up for the lacking coverage or absence of a Lagrangian-Hamiltonian formulation for EM in many of the other books.
Classical Electricity and Magnetism by Wolfgang K. H. Panofsky, Melba Phillips
Covers well several topics left out of other books.
Electrodynamics By Fulvio Melia
A book that gets to the heart of the matter
The Electromagnetic Field by Albert Shadowitz
as mentioned above is pretty good

A note on price I paid more for Goldstein that all the EM books listed combined, party because I bought older used editions of Griffiths and Jackson. I have not read all of them all the way through, but they complement each other well.

Of course I must mention that (the relavent volumes of) Course of Theoretical Physics by L D Landau and E.M. Lifgarbagez is a well deserved classic, though not for most people an introduction or only book.
 
I would like to second Schwartz' text because of the price and the exposition of relativity (granted the discussion of tensors is not exactly modern but for its level it gets the job done and is more mathematical than the text I mention next). I would also like to throw in "Electricity and Magnetism"-Edward M. Purcell & David Morin (3rd ed.)
 
^I have not seen that one. If you have seen Purcell how much did Morin change? I know he put in Si units. Many of the books where a new author takes over for a dead one come out jumbled.
 
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He didn't change the discussions within the text itself but he added a ton of appendices on special relativity and vector calculus, added like a bajillion more problems (a good number of them being sadistically difficult) with more or less half of them having extremely detailed solutions in the back, and the units stuff you mentioned.
 
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lurflurf said:
Of course I must mention that (the relavent volumes of) Course of Theoretical Physics by L D Landau and E.M. Lifgarbagez is a well deserved classic, though not for most people an introduction or only book.

Funny part is I have Landau's books on Classical Mechanics, E&M Fields and Non-relativistic Quantum Mechanics. I tried reading the CM book first and it was a tough read and knew there had to be a better book for going from intro to higher level physics than that when I read it was a graduate level physics book.
 
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IMO Landau and Lifgarbagez Classical Mechanics as well as Classical Theory of Fields are books you should read after doing other books on classical mechanics and EM. Then you will really appreciate their beauty.
 

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