Linear Algebra: Finding A k-value

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The discussion revolves around finding the value of k such that the planes represented by the equations x + 2y + kz = 6 and 3x + 6y + 8z = 4 do not share any solutions. The subject area is linear algebra, specifically focusing on the properties of planes and their normal vectors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the cross product of the normal vectors to determine conditions for the planes being parallel. Some suggest that the problem could be approached more simply by inspecting the proportionality of the normal vectors.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to find the k-value. Some participants have pointed out potential errors in calculations and reasoning, while others emphasize that the problem may not require complex calculations. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered.

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Participants note that the original poster's approach may be overly complicated and that the problem could be resolved through simpler means. There are also discussions about the correct formulation of the equations involved.

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Homework Statement


Find the value of k such that no solutions are shared between the planes

x + 2y + kz = 6

and

3x + 6y + 8z = 4

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I figured that if I calculated \vec{n_1} \times \vec{n_2} = \vec{0}, and then take the magnitude of this vector equation, I could procure the correct k-value.

Here are some parts of my work:

\vec{n_1} \times \vec{n_2} = (16-6k)\hat{i} + (3k-8)\hat{k}

0=320 -240k + 39k^2

k = \frac{120 \pm 8 \sqrt{30}}{39}

When I graphed the two planes, it was quite conspicuous that the two planes were not parallel.

What is wrong with my work and reasoning?
 
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Bashyboy said:

Homework Statement


Find the value of k such that no solutions are shared between the planes

x + 2y + kz = 6

and

3x + 6y + 8z = 4

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I figured that if I calculated \vec{n_1} \times \vec{n_2} = \vec{0}, and then take the magnitude of this vector equation, I could procure the correct k-value.

Here are some parts of my work:

\vec{n_1} \times \vec{n_2} = (16-6k)\hat{i} + (3k-8)\hat{k}

0=320 -240k + 39k^2

k = \frac{120 \pm 8 \sqrt{30}}{39}

When I graphed the two planes, it was quite conspicuous that the two planes were not parallel.

What is wrong with my work and reasoning?

You're making this much harder than it needs to be. The only way the planes won't share any points is if they are parallel and distinct (not coplanar). This problem can be solved by inspection; you don't need cross products or much else for this problem.
 
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You want ##\vec n_1 \times \vec n_2## to be the zero vector, so just set its components equal to 0.

Wouldn't it be easier to note that the planes are parallel if the normal vectors are proportional?
 
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Bashyboy said:

Homework Statement


Find the value of k such that no solutions are shared between the planes

x + 2y + kz = 6

and

3x + 6y + 8z = 4


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I figured that if I calculated \vec{n_1} \times \vec{n_2} = \vec{0}, and then take the magnitude of this vector equation, I could procure the correct k-value.

Here are some parts of my work:

\vec{n_1} \times \vec{n_2} = (16-6k)\hat{i} + (3k-8)\hat{k}

0=320 -240k + \color{red}{39}{k^2}

Also, that would have worked except you have 39 where you should have 45.
 
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Thank you both for your help.
 
Bashyboy said:
Here are some parts of my work:

\vec{n_1} \times \vec{n_2} = (16-6k)\hat{i} + (3k-8)\hat{k}

0=320 -240k + 39k^2
k (scalar parameter) and ##\hat{k}## (direction in space) are completely unrelated, they just share the same letter here. Both brackets have to be zero.

I agree with Mark44, this can be solved just by looking at it.
 

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