Find values of k in this linear system

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The problem involves determining the values of k for a system of linear equations in three variables (x, y, z) that yield different types of solutions: a unique solution, no solution, or an infinite number of solutions. The equations presented include a mix of variables and the parameter k, which influences the nature of the solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the use of matrices and determinants to analyze the system. Some question the setup of the matrix and the implications of its determinant being zero. Others suggest using Gaussian elimination as an alternative method to solve the equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the matrix representation of the system. Some have provided guidance on the implications of the determinant, while others are questioning the initial setup and suggesting alternative approaches to the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the representation of the matrix, with participants clarifying whether it is a square matrix or an augmented matrix. The role of the parameter k as an unknown coefficient is also under discussion.

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Homework Statement


Find the values of k so that each of the following systems in unknowns x, y, and z has (i) a unique solution, (ii) no solution, (iii) an infinite number of solutions.

x + y = kz = 1
x + ky + z = 1
kx + y + z = 1

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The Attempt at a Solution


I really don't know where to begin with this. Is there a systematic way to solve? It seems empirical to me but that doesn't make sense either.
 
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This isn't calculus. Did you learn about matrices ? Inverting them and determinants and such ?

(Please check the double = sign in the first eqn)
 
Yes, I know about matrices and determinants.
z +y + kz = 1
x + ky +z = 1
kx + y + z = 1
 
Robb said:
Yes, I know about matrices and determinants.
z +y + kz = 1
x + ky +z = 1
kx + y + z = 1
So what's the matrix of the system and what the determinant?
 
fresh_42 said:
So what's the matrix of the system and what the determinant?
You may find this useful http://www.ulaff.net/LAFF-N2LW.html
I took the edX course as a Linear Algebra refresher, and it was worth the effort.

For simple 2 or 3 variable systems, Cramer's rule should work for you.
 
A = 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1

detA = 0
 
Robb said:
A = 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1

detA = 0
With Det(A) = 0, there are two possibilities: there is No Solution, or Infinite Solutions. Which one applies here? When k does not equal 1, what can you say about the system?
 
When k does not equal 1 the determinant is nonzero (implying a unique solution) and when k equals 1 the equations are equal so there are infinitely many solutions.
 
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Actually, A is a square matrix (3x3) rather than the (3x4) you showed.
 
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scottdave said:
Actually, A is a square matrix (3x3) rather than the (3x4) you showed.

Right, I used the augmented matrix...sorry.
 
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Hi Robb,

You have me wondering about your matrix: you should realize ##k## is an unknown coefficient and your matrix in fact looks like $$\begin{pmatrix}
1 & 1 & k \\
1 & k & 1 \\
k & 1 & 1
\end{pmatrix}$$and the equation like
$$\begin{pmatrix}
1 & 1 & k \\
1 & k & 1 \\
k & 1 & 1
\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} x\\y\\z \end{pmatrix} =\begin{pmatrix} 1\\1\\1 \end{pmatrix} $$
 
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Robb said:
Right, I used the augmented matrix...sorry.

IMHO using matrices on this problem is a great waste of time; better to just do what people did a hundred years before matrices were invented. In other words, just apply Gaussian elimination: use the first equation to solve for x in terms of y and z, then substitute that expression for x into the second and third equations. That will give you two equations in y and z, and if you actually write them out in detail the solution will become---if not blindingly obvious---at least straightforward.
 
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