Beta Decay Questions: Help Understanding Angular Momentum

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The discussion revolves around understanding the selection rules for beta decay, particularly focusing on angular momentum conservation and the classification of transitions as Fermi or Gamow-Teller. Participants explore the implications of these rules in the context of specific transitions and their properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the selection rules for beta decay, specifically the total angular momentum change and its implications for classifying transitions.
  • The participant notes that for allowed Fermi transitions, the change in total angular momentum (ΔJ) is zero, while for allowed Gamow-Teller transitions, ΔJ can be zero or one, raising questions about the classification of transitions from 0+ to 0+ states.
  • Another participant questions whether the selection rules are derived from Wigner-Eckart's theorem or simply quoted without justification, suggesting that if derived, there may be less room for debate.
  • A later reply indicates that the original poster's course is introductory, implying that rigorous mathematical justifications for the selection rules were not fully covered.
  • Links to articles are shared by one participant, possibly to provide additional resources for understanding the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the justification of the selection rules or the classification of transitions, indicating that multiple views and uncertainties remain in the discussion.

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The discussion highlights limitations in the original poster's understanding due to the introductory nature of their course, which may affect their grasp of the underlying mathematical principles and justifications for the selection rules.

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Hello,

I'm having a hard time understanding some aspects of beta decay and I wondered if someone could help. (Perhaps this post belongs in the homework forum, but i don't have a specific question to do as such.) I'm not being helped by the fact that my general understanding of angular momentum is so poor, but anyway, as I understand it the selection rules for beta decay are

conservation of angular momentum:

[itex] \vec{J}_P = \vec{J}_D + \vec{L}_\beta + \vec{S}_\beta [/itex]

and parity

[itex] \pi_P = \pi_{D} (-1)^{L_\beta} [/itex]

Where [itex]L_\beta[/itex] is the orbital angular momentum carried away by the lepton system. The transistion probability decreases rapidly with increasing L, and measurements of the comparitive half-life will allow us to classify a transition as (super-)allowed, first forbidden etc depending on L=0,1,... with log of the comparitive half life scaling about 4 units with each change in L.

[itex]S_\beta[/itex] is the spin of the lepton system which must couple to 0 or 1. (Something I'm not quite sure about). Anyway if S=0 the transition is classified as Fermi, if S=1 is called Gamow-Teller.

What I'm struggling with is the quoted allowed values for the total angular momentum change. For an allowed Fermi transition the [tex]\Delta J[/tex] is zero, and the 0+ to 0+ transition is called superallowed. For the allowed Gamow-Teller my book says that [tex]\Delta J[/tex] can be zero or one, yet 0+ to 0+ can't be Gamow-Teller. I don't understand why the change can be zero, or for a zero change why it can't be Gamow-Teller if the initial or final state is 0. If I was asked to classify a 1+ to 1+ transition as Fermi or Gamow how would I do it?

Similarly for the first forbidden, Fermi transitions can be zero or one, but only one if it's from or to a zero state. Gamow transitions can be 0,1,2 but with a couple of disallowed possibilities, like 0- to 0+, 1/2+ to 1/2-, 1+ to 0-. I'm sure I've just missed something obvious but I can't make much sense of this at all.
 
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Does your book "invent" (give without any jusitification) those seletion rules,or it computes them using Wigner-Eckart's theorem...?In the latter case,i think there's not too much for debating.

Daniel.
 
It's very much an introductory course I'm doing so much of the rigorous maths was skated over, although some arguments were made for the reasonableness of the selection rules. The set of rules for total angular momentum change for allowed, first forbidden etc, though were just quoted, I got the impression they followed straightforwardly but can't really see it.
 
Here's the article (i don't have access into Prola,maybe u have).

http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PR/v59/i11/p908_1

And another one (maybe u have access into this one,too)

http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0370-1298/65/10/303

and more here http://hepwww.ph.qmul.ac.uk/~rizvi/npa/week04.htm

Daniel.
 
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Thank you, that was most helpful.
 

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