Books to Help a Newbie - Don't Hold Back!

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for books suitable for beginners in physics, with an emphasis on the balance between theoretical understanding and mathematical knowledge. Participants explore various texts that could aid in grasping fundamental concepts in physics and quantum mechanics.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to focus on theoretical aspects rather than mathematical equations, questioning the necessity of math in understanding physics.
  • Another participant suggests several popular books that provide a general idea of quantum mechanics, including titles by Heisenberg, Gell-Mann, Weinberg, Hawking, and Greene.
  • A recommendation for "The Second Creation" by Robert Crease is made, highlighting its anecdotal approach to physics concepts.
  • Concerns are raised about the importance of a solid mathematical foundation for fully grasping theoretical physics, with references to Feynman's discussions on the topic.
  • One participant recommends "The Road to Reality" by Penrose, emphasizing its approach to explaining the necessity of math in understanding physics concepts.
  • Questions about the participant's background in classical physics and understanding of conservation laws and angular momentum are posed, indicating the relevance of these concepts to the discussion.
  • Another participant notes that intellectual maturity in abstract reasoning is crucial for engaging with the recommended texts, suggesting that some may find them challenging without this maturity.
  • Additional book suggestions include "Quantum Reality" by Nick Herbert and "Quantum Code" by Heinz Pagel, with a note on the availability of these texts.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the clarifications regarding the role of mathematical knowledge in understanding theoretical physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a range of views on the necessity of mathematical knowledge for understanding theoretical physics. While some emphasize its importance, others express a preference for theoretical exploration without a strong mathematical focus. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the balance between math and theory.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge varying levels of mathematical background and intellectual maturity, which may affect their ability to engage with the recommended texts. There are also references to external discussions on similar topics, indicating a broader context for the inquiry.

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Hey I'm a lil nubnub (newb) and was wondering of what books would be great to read on this subject? Don't worry my reading comprehension is above a grade 4 leviL so you don't have to hold back on me.

Thanks.

oK bYE
dAN
 
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emotionalmachine said:
Hey I'm a lil nubnub (newb) and was wondering of what books would be great to read on this subject? Don't worry my reading comprehension is above a grade 4 leviL so you don't have to hold back on me.

Thanks.

oK bYE
dAN

How about math? Do you have a C or better in some flavor of Calculus? Do you know what sin^2\theta + cos^2\theta equals? What?
 
Yeah, high school style, but I'd have to relearn that.

To be honest I'm not that interested in learning the equations and such, is that really necessary? I rather learn the theoretical side of things. But yeah what are some good books on calc? I guess I could take something in uni next year but I have other things I need to do, you know?

My mom says I'm really smart even though my IQ test failed :(. She said it's just a piece of paper and not to worry about it. Ok thanks ^_^.
 
emotionalmachine said:
To be honest I'm not that interested in learning the equations and such, is that really necessary? I rather learn the theoretical side of things.

If all you want is a general idea, there are some popular books that discuss QM to some degree like Physics and Philosophy (Heisenberg), The Quark and the Jaguar (Gell-man), Dreams of a Final Theory (Weinberg), A Brief History of Time (Hawking), The Elegant Universe (Greene) etc. There's also the internet...

I personally recommend The Second Creation by Robert Crease, since it has an anecdotal flavor, a vignette behind every equation, but that's just me.

I don't think it's possible to fully grasp the "theoretical side" of QM (or any part of physics for that matter) unless you're willing to devote a lot of time on the math. Feynman has a nice discussion on this issue in The Character of Physical Law. For QM in particular, PAM Dirac mentioned that understanding QM does not involve having a mental picture of the processes going on, but rather seeing the math involved in such a way that their self-consistency becomes obvious.
 
emotionalmachine said:
To be honest I'm not that interested in learning the equations and such, is that really necessary?

If I may advise you something, which should now be readable on your level, although it DOES talk about the math (and more: why the math is essential, without assuming you know it already): read "The Road to Reality" by Penrose. He spends first a great deal in explaining WHY he thinks that you should master some mathematics if you want to understand (not even to use) physics, then he explains you the math (starting with what is a fraction, such as 2/5), by explaining you what are the ideas that the mathematics tries to put in formulas, and then he explains you how these mathematical ideas are related to the physical world, by starting with high school geometry. So you should be able to jump on the wagon given the starting level. A big part of his book is exactly about quantum theory.

cheers,
Patrick.
 
As well as a sound mathematical background, how is your classical Physics? Do you know conservation laws, what angular momentum is (especially in a vector framework - there's the maths again!), etc?
 
What we're all getting at is is intellectual maturity with abstract arguments. At the high school level this comes with the tougher math courses and science courses like physics. But many don't get it till undergraduate level, and some (sigh) never. If you haven't made the breakthrough into abstract thinking then most of the books mentioned will frustrate you, and certainly you won't be able to get off the ground with Road to Reality, which is a wonderful book, but a real challenge to even the highly knowledgeable.

By the way, to add to the non-mathematical intro books, Nick Herbert's Quantum Reality which is still in the stores, and Heinz Pagel's Quantum Code, which I don't think is, but your library may have it.
 
Thanks a lot guys you were all very helpful. :)

I wasn't sure how vital the mathematical knowledge was to understanding the theoretical side of the coin. Thanks for clarifying. Time to add to the book list. :smile:
 
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Thank you for the book info also. I just registered with the intent of asking 'what is a good starting place book'. :) Now I know since I have read the thread.
Talon
 

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