Calculating Exact Area of Ruled Surface: Accuracy and Procedure

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the exact area of a ruled surface, exploring various methods and their accuracy. Participants examine theoretical approaches, mathematical formulations, and the implications of approximations versus exact calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a method involving triangles formed by points on two curves, questioning whether this approach yields an exact area or just an approximation.
  • Another participant suggests that the accuracy of the area calculation depends on how small the base of the triangle is, implying that a sufficiently small base would lead to an exact area.
  • A different participant offers an alternative method involving partitioning the lines and summing the areas of triangles, noting that such sums are generally approximations due to potential curvature of the surface.
  • One participant introduces parametric functions and a method involving a limit of a Riemann sum, raising a question about converting this sum into an integral, while also noting the assumption of no intersections between line segments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the accuracy of the proposed methods, with no consensus on whether the approaches yield exact results or remain approximations. The discussion includes multiple competing models and unresolved questions regarding the conversion of sums to integrals.

Contextual Notes

Some methods rely on assumptions about the continuity of the curves and the absence of intersections, which may affect the validity of the proposed calculations. The discussion does not resolve these assumptions or their implications.

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I've been trying to figure out how to calculate the exact area of a ruled surface. I think I've come to a solution that works, but I'm not sure it's totally accurate. The procedure is as follows:

Consider two curves. A ruled surface is constructed by connecting each point on one curve to a corresponding point on the other curve. Now, taking a point on curve 1 (a), the corresponding point on curve 2 (b), and another point on curve 1 arbitrarily close to the first point (c), we form a triangle. Also, by taking another point on curve 2 close to point b (d), we can form triangle bcd. Adding the areas of abc and bcd, we have one element of area. Integrating these areas, you get the whole area.

The question is, is this exact, or just an approximation?
 
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Depends on how small u are making that base of the triangle. If u are making it very small, then it should be exact otherwise it would be an approximation. (Your method corresponds very close to how computers generate surfaces on computer)

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I'm not sure what you mean by taking a point that is arbitrarily close. Here is one way to carry out your program.

Partition one of the lines with points \{a_n\} and the other line with points \{b_n\}, where b_n is the point associated with a_n. Take the sum of the areas of the triangles formed by the points a_1, b_1, a_2 and by b_1, a_2, b_2, etc. to the end of the lines. Note that, in general, such sums are approximations to the area because, the sides of the triangles are straight lines, but the surface may be curved. Take the limit of such sums as the distance between the points in each partition goes to zero. The limit will be the exact area.
 
Thanks. Just what I wanted to know.

:)
 
Let's say you have two parametric functions (represented via positional vectors) \vec r_1 \left( t \right) and \vec r_2 \left( t \right), continuous \forall t \in \left( {a,b} \right) , where t is your parameter. Now, you connect \vec r_1 \left( t \right) and \vec r_2 \left( t \right) via line segments corresponding to equivalent parameter values --- i.e., connect point \vec r_1 \left( t \right) to \vec r_2 \left( t \right) (corresponding to equivalent t's) for all t's from t=a to t=b. What I do below is just divide the (a,b) interval into smaller units of just {\Delta t}.
*Then, by Moo of Doom's method, the area would be:
\frac{1}<br /> {2}\mathop {\lim }\limits_{\Delta t \to 0^+} \sum\limits_{n = 0}^{2\left( {\frac{{b - a}}<br /> {{\Delta t}}} \right) - 1} {\left\{ {\left[ {\vec r_1 \left( {a + A_n \Delta t} \right) - \vec r_2 \left( {a + B_n \Delta t} \right)} \right] \times \left[ {\vec r_1 \left( {a + B_n \Delta t} \right) - \vec r_2 \left( {a + C_n \Delta t} \right)} \right]} \right\}}
where
\left\{ \begin{gathered}<br /> A_n = \frac{{\left( { - 1} \right)^n + 2n - 1}}<br /> {4} \hfill \\<br /> B_n = \frac{{ - \left( { - 1} \right)^n + 2n + 1}}<br /> {4} \hfill \\<br /> C_n = \frac{{\left( { - 1} \right)^n + 2n + 3}}<br /> {4} \hfill \\ <br /> \end{gathered} \right\}
However, this method assumes no intersections of the line segments connecting \vec r_1 \left( t \right) and \vec r_2 \left( t \right) vectors.
My question is: How would this Riemann sum be converted into an integral?
 
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