10-year zero coupon rate, how to calculate x?

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The discussion revolves around solving for the variable 'x' in two financial equations related to zero coupon rates. Participants explore methods of manipulation and calculation, including the use of logarithms and scientific calculators, while addressing the context of financial engineering.

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  • One participant seeks assistance in solving for 'x' in two equations, indicating a lack of clarity on the mathematical steps involved.
  • Another participant suggests basic algebraic manipulation, such as adding or subtracting terms to isolate 'x'.
  • A participant expresses familiarity with the operations but struggles to reach a specific numerical answer, referencing a financial engineering book that lacks detailed explanations.
  • One reply proposes using the 10th root to solve for 'x', explaining that this operation undoes raising to the 10th power.
  • Another participant provides a detailed breakdown of the calculations involved in both equations, including the use of logarithms to find 'x'.
  • There is a request for formulas to be presented in a clearer format for better understanding, particularly due to language barriers.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical operations required to isolate 'x', but there is no consensus on the specific steps or methods to achieve the solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to solve the equations.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the application of logarithms and roots in their calculations, and there are references to specific numerical values that may depend on the accuracy of the calculations performed.

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Hi guys,

I'm trying to sort out the following formula, but just can't find out how to solve for 'x'.
Could you guys please help me out??

http://imageshack.us/a/img198/4850/screenshot20120917at725.png

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And I have another one, is there a quick way to solve this one using the log function of a simpele Casio Fx82ms calculator?

http://imageshack.us/a/img842/7760/screenshot20120917at731.png

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The 'x' here is the interest rate and the 'e' mentioned here is the mathematical constant (or 2.71828).

I would really appreciate your help!
 
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500o said:
Hi guys,

I'm trying to sort out the following formula, but just can't find out how to solve for 'x'.
Could you guys please help me out??

http://imageshack.us/a/img198/4850/screenshot20120917at725.png

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

And I have another one, is there a quick way to solve this one using the log function of a simpele Casio Fx82ms calculator?

http://imageshack.us/a/img842/7760/screenshot20120917at731.png

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

The 'x' here is the interest rate and the 'e' mentioned here is the mathematical constant (or 2.71828).

I would really appreciate your help!

Is this homework?
 
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No it's not, I'm trying to find out more about financial engineering. But it has been a while since I studied math at high school, haha.

I put the formulas in an online scientific calculator and then uploaded this on Imageschack to make sure you would understand the formulas.

Could anyone help me?
 
These are equations. You can add, subtract, multiply, or divide things on both sides of the equations to try to isolate the expressions containing x and eventually solve for it.

For example, in the second equation, the obvious first thing to do is add 770 to both sides.
 
Thanks, I know how to subtract/multiplay/divide things and simplified the formula to:
http://imageshack.us/a/img209/4018/screenshot20120917at812.png

I still need to solve for 'x' now, how can I do that? The scientific calculator says the answer should be 0.0375 and I believe that's correct, but I still don't know how to get to that answer myself. I bought a 200usd book that is about financial engineering and has been put together by one of the professors of Kellogg School of Management, however it doesn't always explain the logic behind some of the formulas used, the book goes straight to the answers... haha, sorry to be a pain but any help is welcome!
 
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You just need to undo the effect of raising to the 10th power. Raising to the one-tenth power would do that, just as squaring (raising to the 2nd power) is undone by a square root (raising to the 1/2 power).
 
Hmm thanks but could please denote your words with a formula like I did? That makes it easier for me to interpret (as my native language is Dutch...)
 
(y^{10})^{1/10} = y
 
Great, this helps! Thanks a million.
 
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\frac{100}{(1+x)^{10}}= 69.20205
\frac{(1+x)^{10}}{100}= \frac{1}{69.20205}= 0.01445044
(1+ x)^10= 1.4455044
1+ x= \sqrt[10]{1.4455044}
x= \sqrt[10]{1.4455044}- 1
You can do the 10th root (if your calculator doesn't have a "\sqrt[y]{x}" key) using logarithms: \sqrt[10]{x}= e^{ln(x)/10}

-770+ 815e^{-x}= 0
815e^{-x}= 770
e^{-x}= \frac{770}{815}= 0.9447
-x= ln(0.9447)
x= -ln(0.9447)
(since 0.9447 is less than 1, ln(0.9447) is negative so x will be positive.)
 

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