14MeV neutrons in MCNP interact with carbon without producing alpha

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interaction of 14MeV neutrons with carbon in the MCNP simulation environment, specifically addressing the absence of alpha particle and proton production. Participants explore various cross-section data sources and physical models to resolve issues related to particle transport and energy deposition.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that despite using multiple cross-section data sources (ENDFB8/B7.1, JEFF3.3, JENDL5, CENDL3.2), alpha particles and protons are not produced as expected in the MCNP simulation.
  • Another participant suggests setting specific parameters in the “phys:n” and “phys:p” cards to ensure the generation and transport of recoil and (n,p) protons, as well as recoil heavy ions.
  • A different participant mentions that the INCL4/ABLA model should be activated to improve the release of secondary alpha particles, referencing a publication for further details.
  • One participant expresses confusion after modifying their settings according to advice, indicating that they may have implemented the changes incorrectly.
  • Another participant points out that when heavy ion transport is disabled, the program runs but notes discrepancies between the alpha transport results and measured data, suggesting that PHITS results are more accurate.
  • Some participants question whether heavy ion transport is necessary for the results or if the production rate suffices, and suggest plotting the cross section to identify potential issues with missing tables.
  • One participant highlights a potential misunderstanding regarding the settings of the “phys n” and “phys h” cards, questioning if it was a correction or a mistake.
  • Another participant clarifies their need to calculate the energy spectrum deposited by alpha particles generated from neutron interactions with carbon, noting limitations in running both the INCL model and heavy ion transport simultaneously.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints and suggestions, but there is no consensus on the correct approach or resolution to the issues raised. Disagreements exist regarding the necessity of certain transport models and the interpretation of simulation results.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific settings and models that may influence the simulation outcomes, but there are unresolved questions about the accuracy of the results and the proper configuration of the MCNP environment.

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14MeV neutrons in MCNP interact with carbon without producing alpha particles and protons, yes Questions about my cross section data?
I've tried ENDFB8/B7.1, JEFF3.3, JENDL5, CENDL3.2 without any results, but if you use phys:n model, it looks like alpha particles will be produced, but it doesn't seem to be what I expected. How can I solve it? Thanks!
 
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Hi,
The 7th parameter of the “phys:n” card and “phys:p” must be set to 1 to ensure the generation and transport of recoil and (n,p) protons as well as recoil heavy ions.
The 1st entry of the “cut:h, a, #” card must set to 1 keV to transport the whole particles above this cut-off energy.
In order to improve the release of secondary alpha, the INCL4/ABLA model is turned on adding the LCA card with the 9th entry, “icem” set to 2.
You can see this publication :
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ssment_for_neutrons_between_100_keV_to_19_MeV
 
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Thank you very much for your answer, but after I modified it according to your prompt, it shows that I used it incorrectly. Is there any problem
 

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When heavy ion transport is cancelled, the program is ready to run. However, the physical model must also be used, and the α transport results are different from the measured results, but the PHITS results are accurate. Don't know what the problem is
 
I'm not sure I can help much, but do you need heavy ion transport for the results or will production rate do?

Have you tried plotting the cross section? Warnings that models are being used is normally a sign cross section tables are missing.

I notice @PSRB191921 said to set phys n and p cards (neutron and photon) and you've set n and h cards (neutron and proton) and I don't know if this is a correction or a mistake.
 
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I'm not sure I can help much, but do you need heavy ion transport for the results or will production rate do?

Have you tried plotting the cross section? Warnings that models are being used is normally a sign cross section tables are missing.

I notice @PSRB191921 said to set phys n and p cards (neutron and photon) and you've set n and h cards (neutron and proton) and I don't know if this is a correction or a mistake.
Thank you very much for your reply. I need to calculate the energy spectrum deposited by alpha particles generated by neutron and C in C. Currently, the program cannot carry out INCL physical model and heavy ion transport at the same time. When I use the physical model of neutron and C alone and make alpha particles deposit energy in the way of INCL, the program can run. However, there is a certain gap between the transport results and PHITS. I don't know what the problem is.
 

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