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The discussion revolves around isolating the variable in the expression -16(2a) as part of a larger problem involving a position function related to a dropped object. Participants are exploring algebraic manipulation and the context of the problem, which is situated in a calculus class.

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  • Participants discuss the manipulation of the expression -16(2a) and question how to isolate the variable a. There are attempts to simplify the expression and relate it to a broader context involving limits and derivatives.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning the original problem's setup. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to find the time at which the wrench hits the ground, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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Participants note that the original problem involves a word problem from a calculus class, specifically related to the motion of a dropped object. There are indications of confusion regarding the relationship between variables and the steps needed to solve for them.

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-16(2a) --> How to isolate variable?

Homework Statement




-16(2a)
How do I isolate the variable? This is probably an EXTREMLY simple question. Its times like this that makes me wish I paid attention in high school algebra.

The Attempt at a Solution



Don't really know what to do without violating some basic arithmetic law.

I tried setting it equal to 0 but??

-32a = 0

My professor got the answer of [tex]a=\frac{5\sqrt{5}}{2}[/tex]
 
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Is there an equation associated with this?

In any case, you can simplify a little more. Use the associative law. For any real numbers x,y,z:

x(yz) = (xy)z

What's x? y? z?
 


gb7nash said:
Is there an equation associated with this?

In any case, you can simplify a little more. Use the associative law. For any real numbers x,y,z:

x(yz) = (xy)z

What's x? y? z?

I did that, maybe it wasn't very noticiable in my post. Regardless,

-16(2a) = -32a

Edit: No equation, just part of a word problem in my calc class. This is the very last step, just don't know how to solve for a. I have the problem copied from my professor so it isn't an error.
 


With the information given, there's no way to properly answer your question. What's the original problem?
 


gb7nash said:
With the information given, there's no way to properly answer your question. What's the original problem?

Given the position function, [tex]s(t)= -16t^2 + 500[/tex]

If a construction worker drops a wrench from a height of 500
feet, when will the wrench hit the ground? At what velocity
will the wrench impact the ground?

[tex]lim_{t\to a} \frac{s(a) - s(t)}{a-t} = \frac{-16at^2 + 500 - (16t^2 + 500 )} {a-t}[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{-16a^2+16t^2}{a-t}[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{-16(a^2 - t)}{a-t} = \frac{-16 (a+t)(a-t)}{a-t}[/tex]
[tex]= lim_{t\to a} = -16(a+t)[/tex]
[tex]= - 16(2a)[/tex]

Professor said a = t, and set (a+t) is the same thing as 2a.
 
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Nano-Passion said:
Given the position function, [tex]s(t)= -16t^2 + 500[/tex]

If a construction worker drops a wrench from a height of 500
feet, when will the wrench hit the ground?
(1) Did you answer this question? If not, when the wrench hits the ground, what does s(t) have to equal? You need to then solve for t.

Nano-Passion said:
[tex]lim_{t\to a} \frac{s(a) - s(t)}{a-t} = \frac{-16at^2 + 500 - (16t^2 + 500 )} {a-t}[/tex]
I learned the formula as this:
[tex]s'(a) = lim_{t\to a} \frac{s(t) - s(a)}{t-a}[/tex]

Nano-Passion said:
Professor said a = t, and set a = 2.
You sure? The a = 2 part isn't right. What you should plug in is the value of t you get from (1) above.
 
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Like eumyang stated, there's two parts to this question. First, you need to find the time at which the wrench hits the ground. How do you do this?

Nano-Passion said:
Professor said a = t, and set a = 2.

Ignoring the latex typos, your methodology for solving for the velocity is fine. However, you need to approach the time at which the wrench hits the ground. If you properly solve for this time, you won't get 2.
 


gb7nash said:
Like eumyang stated, there's two parts to this question. First, you need to find the time at which the wrench hits the ground. How do you do this?



Ignoring the latex typos, your methodology for solving for the velocity is fine. However, you need to approach the time at which the wrench hits the ground. If you properly solve for this time, you won't get 2.


I'm sorry, that was a typo, what I really meant was [tex]\lim_{t\to a} (t+a) = 2a[/tex]

So when I said a = 2, I meant since t approaches a its the same as 2a. I've been studying and practicing for a while, sometimes you get clumsy.
 


eumyang said:
(1) Did you answer this question? If not, when the wrench hits the ground, what does s(t) have to equal? You need to then solve for t.


I learned the formula as this:
[tex]s'(a) = lim_{t\to a} \frac{s(t) - s(a)}{t-a}[/tex]


You sure? The a = 2 part isn't right. What you should plug in is the value of t you get from (1) above.

I'm sorry that was a typo, read the above post.
 
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There are quite a few mistakes here.
Nano-Passion said:
Given the position function, [tex]s(t)= -16t^2 + 500[/tex]

If a construction worker drops a wrench from a height of 500
feet, when will the wrench hit the ground? At what velocity
will the wrench impact the ground?
The first question is the same as asking at what t is s(t) = 0? When you answer that question, you should get the same answer as you posted, which is (5[itex]\sqrt{5}[/itex])/2.

It looks like you skipped that question and went on to try to answer the second question.
Nano-Passion said:
[tex]lim_{t\to a} \frac{s(a) - s(t)}{a-t} = \frac{-16at^2 + 500 - (16t^2 + 500 )} {a-t}[/tex]
s(a) [itex]\neq[/itex] -16at2 + 500.
Nano-Passion said:
[tex]= \frac{-16a^2+16t^2}{a-t}[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{-16(a^2 - t)}{a-t} = \frac{-16 (a+t)(a-t)}{a-t}[/tex]
[tex]= lim_{t\to a} = -16(a+t)[/tex]
[tex]= - 16(2a)[/tex]
Since you actually take the limit in the last expression above, each step preceding it should indicate that you haven't yet taken the limit. IOW, Each expression except the very last should be preceded with [itex]\lim_{t \to a}...[/itex].

Actually, since what you're really doing is finding s'(t), each limit shoud have been [itex]\lim_{a \to t}...[/itex].

BTW, as already noted by other folks in this thread there are a couple of errors in the work above.
Nano-Passion said:
Professor said a = t, and set (a+t) is the same thing as 2a.

What you have found here is s'(t), or the velocity at time t for the dropped wrench. You should have found that v(t) = -32t. If you had answered the first question, you could have used that value to find the velocity when the wrench hit the ground.
 
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Oh my... I was so fixated on figuring out how my professor solved for a, it crossed my mind to flip a page back for the other portion.:

[tex]-16t^2+500=0[/tex]
[tex]-16t^2= -500[/tex]
[tex]\sqrt{t^2}= \frac{\sqrt{125}}{\sqrt{4}}[/tex]

I probably need a break lol..
 
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