1d kinematics help - ball thrown vertically upwards

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The discussion revolves around a problem in one-dimensional kinematics involving a ball launched vertically upward with an initial speed of 20 m/s. Participants are exploring the time the ball is in the air, the maximum height reached, and the moments when the ball is at a height of 15 m above the release point, while considering the effects of gravity and neglecting air resistance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of kinematic equations to determine the time of flight and maximum height. There is also an exploration of the moments when the ball reaches 15 m, with some questioning the assumptions made regarding the equations used and the signs of the variables.

Discussion Status

Some participants have confirmed the correctness of the initial calculations for time and height, while others are attempting to clarify the approach to finding the time at which the ball is at 15 m. There is recognition that the ball reaches this height twice during its flight, prompting further exploration of the relevant equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that air resistance is negligible and are discussing the implications of using different kinematic equations. There is a noted confusion regarding the signs in the equations due to the upward launch of the ball.

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Homework Statement


A ball is launched vertically upward from ground level with initial speed of 20 m/s.
1. How long is the ball in air?
2. What is the greatest height reached by the ball.
3. How many seconds after launch is the ball 15m above the release point.
(Air resistance is negligible)

The answers from the back of the book are:
1. 4.1 s
2. 20 m
3. 0.99 s and 3.1 s

Homework Equations


Kinematic equations for constant acceleration:
1. vx = v0x + axt
2. vav x = 0.5(v0x + vx)
3. \Deltax = v0xt + 0.5axt2
4. \Deltax = 0.5(v0x + vx)t

The Attempt at a Solution



Part 1
To find how long the ball is in the air - I need to find t (or 2t depending how you look at it)
initial velocity is 20m/s and I am assuming final velocity to be zero.
a is 9.8

So I used equation 1 above:
So 0 = 20 + 9.8t => t=2.0408 (ignoring the sign)
Hence 2t = 4.0816 (the total time ball is in the air)
Is this correct, did the textbook round it up?

Part 2
What is the greatest height reached by the ball?
I use equation 4 above to find delta x:
\Deltax = 0.5(20+0)2.0408
I get 20.408 m
Again is this correct, did the textbook round it up?

Part 3
How many seconds after launch is the ball 15m above the release point?
I am assuming we are given \Deltax as 15m?
I used equations 3 and 4 here but my answer is nowhere close.

Can someone please help me. Thanks in advance
Okay I don't know how to proceed here.
 
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Part one and two look correct.

You're looking for the time when x >= 15m right?

Well looking at equation 3 it's a parabola with x(t) = vt +0.5at^2. Just looking at the graph the ball is at x=15m twice in it's flight, once while it's going up and once on the way back down.

Does this help?
 
Feldoh said:
Part one and two look correct.

You're looking for the time when x >= 15m right?

Well looking at equation 3 it's a parabola with x(t) = vt +0.5at^2. Just looking at the graph the ball is at x=15m twice in it's flight, once while it's going up and once on the way back down.

Does this help?

Thanks for replying.
Yes, the ball would be at 15m twice in flight.
Hence from equation 3 is tried:

4.9t2 + 20t - 15 = 0
The solution is -4.728 and 0.647 none of which make sense to me or are even close to the answer.
 
The required equation is:
4.9t2 - 20t + 15 = 0

because

h = ut - 1/2gt2

since the ball is launched vertically upward g become negative
 
shrrikesh said:
The required equation is:
4.9t2 - 20t + 15 = 0

because

h = ut - 1/2gt2

since the ball is launched vertically upward g become negative

Ahh...Thanks so much.
Stupid signs...
 

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