1st order homogenous ODE: (x+y)dy/dx=(x-y)

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The discussion revolves around solving a first-order homogeneous ordinary differential equation (ODE) given by the equation (x+y)dy/dx = (x-y). Participants are exploring methods to find a general solution without arriving at a definitive answer.

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  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the equation by substituting v = y/x and expressing dy/dx in terms of v. They express concern about returning to previous steps without making progress. Other participants suggest algebraic manipulations to simplify the expressions, but the original poster continues to struggle with the approach.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and algebraic transformations. While some progress has been made, there is no clear consensus or resolution yet. The original poster indicates a potential breakthrough in their approach but does not finalize a solution.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the methods they are willing to explore. The original poster expresses frustration with the circular nature of their attempts, indicating a need for clarity in their approach.

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Homework Statement


Find a general solution

Homework Equations


[tex](x+y)\frac{dy}{dx} = x-y[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


[tex] <br /> \frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{x-y}{x+y} <br /> [/tex]

let v=y/x
y=xv

[tex] <br /> \frac{dy}{dx} = v+x\frac{dv}{dx}<br /> [/tex]

now,

[tex] <br /> v+x\frac{dv}{dx} = \frac{x-xv}{x+xv}[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{1-v}{1+v}[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{1}{1+v} - \frac{v}{1+v}[/tex]

[tex]=\frac{1}{1+\frac{y}{x}}-\frac{\frac{y}{x}}{1+\frac{y}{x}}[/tex]

Which takes me back to where I started if I clear the denominators, so I'm spinning the wheels. This looks very familiar to me, but I don't recall what it is or what to do with it. Separate the variables, then integrate? Could do it, wrt v, by parts, but isn't there a more efficient way?
 
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Well, first, v/(1+v) = ((v+1)-1)/(1+v) = 1 - 1/(v+1). So that will help.
 
Ok, that gets me a little further, but I still run into trouble:

[tex] = \frac{1}{1+v} - \frac{v}{1+v} [/tex]

[tex] = \frac{1}{1+v} - \frac{(1+v)-1}{1+v} [/tex]

[tex] = \frac{1}{1+v} - 1 + \frac{1}{1+v} [/tex]

[tex] = \frac{2}{1+v} - 1[/tex]

[tex] = \frac{2-(1+v}{1+v}[/tex]

[tex] = \frac{2}{1+v} - 1[/tex]

Which will lead me again, back to my starting point. When do I actually start back-substituting to get something useful?
 
Problem solved: way back in one of the first steps, I found it to be much easier if I collect all the v's on the RHS (but leaving x*dv/dx on the LHS) and onwards from there. Thanks Char, for trying to help anyway :)
 

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