Homogeneous Diff. Eqn Finding Solution

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The discussion revolves around solving a homogeneous differential equation represented by the expression (2xy + 3y^2)dx - (2xy + x^2)dy = 0. Participants are exploring methods to manipulate and solve this equation, particularly through substitutions involving the variable v, defined as y/x.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the classification of the equation as homogeneous and consider two main approaches for solving it. The first involves substituting y = vx and attempting to separate variables, while the second approach also suggests rewriting the equation in terms of v but encounters challenges in achieving separability.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on substitutions and the need to achieve a separable form. There is acknowledgment of confusion stemming from different methods presented in instructional materials, indicating a productive exploration of the topic without a clear consensus on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies between methods used in class and those found in textbooks, which may contribute to misunderstandings regarding the application of substitutions in solving the equation.

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Homework Statement


##(2xy+3y^2)dx-(2xy+x^2)dy=0##

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It's a homogeneous equation since
we can write,
##M(x,y)=(2xy+3y^2)## and ##M(tx,ty)=t^2M(x,y)## and ##N(x,y)=(2xy+x^2)## and ##N(tx,ty)=t^2N(x,y)##
since orders of t are same they are homogeneous.

Now I can say that ##\frac {dy} {dx}=g(\frac {y} {x})##

where ##v=\frac {y} {x}##.
Now I think there is kind of 2 ways to solve the equation. First way is just put the y=vx in the main equation and try to solve it like that and later by doing separation we can get the result. But I couldn't find a solution
Here it comes,

##(2xvx+3v^2x^2)dx-(2xvx+x^2)(dvx+vdx)=0##
let's gather the terms with dx and dv and separate them,
##(v^2x^2+2x^2v-x^2v)dx-(2x^3v+x^3)dv=0## which later on I don't know what to do. I know that I should separate them but it seems confusing.

Other way is to write in the from of ##\frac {dy} {dx}=\frac {(2xy+3y^2)} {(2xy+x^2)}##

so ##v+\frac {dv} {dx}x=\frac {(2xy+3y^2)} {(2xy+x^2)}##
but then I couldn't separate them so that we can get ##\frac {y} {x}## in the right side.
 
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I suggest replacing ##y## by ##vx## on the rhs of your last expression.
 
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Orodruin said:
I suggest replacing ##y## by ##vx## on the rhs of your last expression.
Yes I just now realized that, then I can cancel ##x^2##.
 
Yes I find it, thanks.
 
Arman777 said:
so ##v+\frac {dv} {dx}x=\frac {(2xy+3y^2)} {(2xy+x^2)}##
After your substitution v = y/x (or equivalently y = vx), you shouldn't end up with x, y, and v. The whole reason for this substitution is to get to a separable equation in x and v, and then later undo the substitution.
 
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Mark44 said:
After your substitution v = y/x (or equivalently y = vx), you shouldn't end up with x, y, and v. The whole reason for this substitution is to get to a separable equation in x and v, and then later undo the substitution.
I see your point, yes you are right. Our teacher used the first method for examples and in the book it was using different method (second one) so at first it made me confused.

It was stupid for me to change left side with y=vx but not the right side.
 

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