2 blocks on top of each other, applied force, friction, and tension

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves two blocks, one placed on top of the other, with a horizontal force applied to the lower block. The scenario includes considerations of friction between the blocks and the ground, as well as tension in a string tied to the upper block. The objective is to determine the tension in the string.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the upper block and question the free body diagrams presented. There is an exploration of how the applied force on the lower block affects the upper block, particularly in relation to friction and tension.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the forces acting on the blocks and have questioned the original poster's analysis. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the applied force, friction, and tension, with some guidance offered regarding the forces relevant to the upper block.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the application of forces and the setup of the free body diagrams, which may affect the understanding of the problem. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their calculations and assumptions.

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Homework Statement


A 4.32 kg block is placed on top of a 9.16 kg
block. A horizontal force of F = 66.6 N is
applied to the 9.16 kg block, and the 4.32 kg
block is tied to the wall. The coefficient of
kinetic friction between all moving surfaces
is 0.169. There is friction both between the
masses and between the 9.16 kg block and the
ground.
The acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/s^2.
Determine Tension of string in N

(see image)

Homework Equations


ƩF = ma
fs = μk*FN


The Attempt at a Solution


(see attachment for free body diagrams)
ƩF = ma
m = 4.32 kg
atop block = 0
ƩF = Fapplied - fk - T
0 = (44.274) - (7.155) - T
T = 44.274 - 7.155
T = 37.119

Apparently I did something wrong somewhere, but I'm not sure where.
 

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What forces act on the upper block? (I don't understand your FBDs.)
 
Well maybe it isn't supposed to be there, but I was thinking that since the bottom block has a force in that direction that is not completely canceled out by friction, it would cause the top block to have a force as well, which is equal to Fapplied (to the bottom block) - fk
 
TFOrange said:
Well maybe it isn't supposed to be there, but I was thinking that since the bottom block has a force in that direction that is not completely canceled out by friction, it would cause the top block to have a force as well, which is equal to Fapplied (to the bottom block) - fk
That applied force acts on the bottom block, not on the top block. So it doesn't belong in your analysis of the top block. The only influence that the bottom block exerts on the top block is through the normal force and friction.
 
Oh! so T = f
and so it's T = 7.155
Thanks!
 
TFOrange said:
Oh! so T = f
and so it's T = 7.155
Yep!
 

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