2 dimensional collision confusion

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The problem involves a perfectly elastic collision between a 2 kg mass and a 3 kg mass, each with specified initial velocities. The scenario requires determining the final speed and angle of the masses post-collision, with a focus on the conservation of momentum and kinetic energy in a two-dimensional context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to calculate kinetic energy and momentum separately for the x and y coordinates. There is uncertainty about how to set up the equations for a two-dimensional collision, particularly regarding the use of vectors versus scalars.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the setup of the problem, confirming the need for separate equations for kinetic energy and momentum in both dimensions. Some guidance has been provided regarding the number of equations needed, but there remains a lack of consensus on the specifics of how to incorporate the cosine terms and vector representation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the initial conditions have no unknowns, while the final conditions present two unknowns. There is also mention of potential confusion regarding the representation of momentum as vectors rather than scalars.

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Homework Statement


A 2 kg mass with initial velocity v = (5i + 7j) collides perfectly elastically with a 3 kg
mass with initial velocity v = (-1i -3j) After the collision, the 2kg mass has a speed of
√50 m/s and the 3 kg mass is traveling at an angle of 329.77Θ as measured from the positive x
axis. Determine the speed of the 3 kg mass after the collision and the angle of the 2 kg mass
after the collision (as measured from the positive x axis).
i and j are the x and y-axis respectively.

Homework Equations


P = MV
KE = 0.5MV^2
A*B = XYCosΘ

The Attempt at a Solution


Initial:
KEm1 = 0.5(2)(5i + 7j)^2
KEm2 = 0.5(3(-1i - 3j)^2
Pm1 = 2(5i + 7j)
Pm2 = 3(-1i - 3j)
Final:
KEm1 = 0.5(2)(√50)^2 Cosø
KEm2 = 0.5(3)V^2 Cos(329.77)
Pm1 = 2(√50)
Pm2 = 3V
I know that initial momentum and KE of the system should equal the final momentum and KE of the system, but I can't figure out how to set that up with a 2 dimensional collision. Normally it would be KEi = KEf and Pi = Pf, but with i and j coordinators I can't figure out how to make that work. Should KE and P for the y coordinate and the x coordinate be calculated separately?
 
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NKC said:
Should KE and P for the y coordinate and the x coordinate be calculated separately?

Yes.
 
Qube said:
Yes.
Yes to both KE and Momentum? I thought kinetic energy didn't have a direction being a scalar.
 
So you answer your own question. "Should KE and P for the y coordinate and the x coordinate be calculated separately?": Yes on three counts: KE, px and Py.
 
BvU said:
So you answer your own question. "Should KE and P for the y coordinate and the x coordinate be calculated separately?": Yes on three counts: KE, px and Py.
Just to be clear, that leaves me with 3 equations for initial values, and 3 for final values right?
 
Yes. The initial ones have no unknowns, the final ones 2.

You will have to do something about the final ones: where do the cosines in the KE come from ? And why aren't the P vectors instead of numbers ?
 

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