2 DOF oscillator max force reponse

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The discussion revolves around determining the maximum force response on a component mounted on a structure modeled as a two degree of freedom oscillator. Participants explore the relationship between various system parameters and the force applied to one of the masses in the oscillator system.

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  • One participant describes the need to express the force on mass m2 as a function of system parameters (m1, m2, c1, c2, k1, k2, y) without including the displacements x1 and x2.
  • Another participant presents a matrix system of equations and derives an expression for the force, but notes challenges in eliminating x1 and x2 from the final expression.
  • A third participant suggests that the system can be solved for x1 and x2 as functions of the parameters and proposes using the Laplace transform as a potential method for solving the equations.
  • One participant introduces an analogy between the mechanical system and an electrical circuit, suggesting the use of a simulator to analyze the system's response to various input signals, equating mechanical elements to their electrical counterparts.

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Participants express differing approaches to solving the problem, with no consensus on the best method or final expression for the force response. Multiple competing views remain regarding the techniques and models to apply.

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Participants mention various methods for solving the equations, including Laplace transforms and analog circuit modeling, but do not reach a resolution on the most effective approach. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on specific assumptions about the system.

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This discussion may be useful for engineers and researchers interested in dynamic systems, particularly those working with oscillatory systems and force analysis in mechanical structures.

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(NOTE, this is not a homework problem, but it sure seems like one)

Hello,

I am mounting a component onto structure and I need to determine the maximum force input into the component.

My system can be represented by a base driven two degree of freedom oscillator:

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I need to determine the force applied to m2:

F = k2*(x2-x1) + c2*(x2-x1)

This force needs to be a function of (m1,m2,c1,c2,k1,k2,y) and not of (x1,x2).
Basically, for a given input y, what will the be force response on m2.

Every time I solve the system of equations, my result is a function of x1 and/or x2.


Thank you in advance for your help!

p.s. If it is easier, feel free to remove the dampers from the system. An un-damped system will work for my purposes.
 
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As for an attempt at the solution:

my matrix system of equations is...

[m1 0 ; 0 m2] [x''1 ; x''2] + [k1+k2 -k2 ; -k2 k2] [x1 ; x2] = [0 ; k1] [0 y]

Interestingly enough, the force I need to recover is naturally in the lower portion of the equation giving:

F = k1*y - m2*x''2

I make the reduction to

F = k1*y + Wn^2*m2*x2

but still was not able to remove all of the x2's and x1's (after making a number of substitutions).
 
You have two equations and two unknowns (x1 and x2). You can solve for them as functions of m1,m2,c1,c2,k1,k2, and y.

(I would use the Laplace transform, but there is of course a time-domain way to solve them also. I don't have that info on hand.
 
Your mechanical system can be modeled as an electrical circuit (an "analog" system). Use a simulator (Spice) to characterize the maximal force versus various "input signals".

Assuming that voltage represents velocity and current represents force, the mechanical elements have particular electrical analogs:

Spring = Inductor
Damper = Resistor
Mass = Capacitor
Force = Current
Velocity = Voltage

Force inputs become current sources. Initial velocities (of masses) become initial voltages on capacitors. Velocity inputs are okay -- they become voltage inputs, so if you want to determine how your system responds to a given motion driving it, characterize the motion in terms of its velocity.

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In the above circuit Io represents the force that's applied to the mass M2.
 

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