How to Minimize Oscillation Amplitude in a Damped Driven Oscillator?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around minimizing the oscillation amplitude in a damped driven oscillator, specifically in the context of modeling a washing machine using the ADAMs View program. Participants explore the dynamics of the system, including the effects of varying parameters such as mass, spring constant, and damping constant.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the system's dynamics and proposes that increasing the mass (ma) to its maximum value, minimizing the damping constant (n), and setting the spring constant (K) to around 10^6 N/m will reduce oscillation amplitude.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the variables used, noting confusion regarding the damping constants and coordinate labels in the equations and diagrams.
  • There is a discussion about the correct notation for the damping and spring constants, with participants correcting each other on the symbols used in the equations.
  • One participant questions the use of ω_n instead of ω in the equations and points out a potential omission of a square in the third term of the equation of motion.
  • Participants discuss the approach to using the ADAMs program, with one suggesting it may be used to find correlations between parameters to minimize amplitude through trial and error.
  • There is speculation about the role of destructive interference in minimizing amplitude, particularly between the rotor and the spring-damper system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the parameters affecting oscillation amplitude, and there is no consensus on the optimal approach or the specific relationships between the variables. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best strategy for minimizing amplitude.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding variable definitions and the notation used in equations, which may affect the clarity of the discussion. There are also unresolved mathematical details related to the equations of motion.

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Homework Statement


I have a project in university that's about creating a simplified model of a washing machine in the program ADAMs View. Here is a picture of how it's constructed: https://imgur.com/a/zZzS5

So basically to oversimplify the problem I've understood that the rotating mass will cause a force on the machine resulting in a damped driven harmonic oscillation. If we take a look at the bottom of the machine there is damper and a spring. The damper constant and the spring constant are both fixed values given to us. (spring constant k = 9,35*106 N/m and damping constant c = 3000 Ns/m): We are also given the mass of the machine mh, mass of rotor mr and the velocity of rotor ω.

The problem to solve is to design the upper part (the second spring and damper) of the machine to minimize the amplitude of the machine's oscillation. We have three parameters that we have to vary. K being the spring constant, n being the damping constant and being the mass (where ma≤10 kg)

Using ADAMS and running simulations when I vary one factor at a time I have come to the conclusion that ma being as high as possible (10 kg), n being as low as possible (=0) and K being around 106 N/m will result in a small amplitude.

Homework Equations


I have derived the equation of motion for the washing machine and the damper and spring on the bottom from the free body diagram of the machine, not taking into consideration the upper damper and spring because this was the first part of the project.

x''+2ξω_{n}x' + ω_{n}x = \frac{F_{0}}{m}sin(ωt+φ_{0}) + \frac{kx_{0}}{m} where 2ξω_{n}=\frac{c}{m}, ω_{n}^2=\frac{k}{m}, F_{0}=m_{r}eω^2, m=m_{h}+m_{r}

(I'm from Sweden so if these formulas doesn't look exactly the same in your country then I think that's the reason.)

The Attempt at a Solution


Aside from the conclusions above I have to derive a strategy for this optimal design (minimize the amplitude), explaining what's happening using formulas. To minimize this amplitude I think I need to explain what's happening with the superposition principle. There must be destructive interference but my problem is between what parts of this system. The upper part really complicates things for me and this is the part where I would like some help.

I'm very grateful for every tip! Thanks.
 
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Hello bog one, :welcome:

please sort out and list your variables a bit more clearly: I get confused if you first write a given c and then write
barakudaxxl said:
n being the damping constant

barakudaxxl said:
n being as low as possible (=0)
Also seeing y as coordinate in the picture and x in the equations does not help, even if x=y in Sweden :smile:

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[edit] copied in the picture -- imgur isn't all that sustainable :rolleyes:
 

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BvU said:
Hello bog one, :welcome:

please sort out and list your variables a bit more clearly: I get confused if you first write a given c and then write
Also seeing y as coordinate in the picture and x in the equations does not help, even if x=y in Sweden :smile:

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[edit] copied in the picture -- imgur isn't all that sustainable :rolleyes:

The project is is separated into two parts. The first part is this photo: https://imgur.com/rHrWjxL. It's actually in the other link also. It's consisting of the washing machine and the damper and spring at the bottom. C is the damping constant for that damper and not the one above. n is the damping constant of the damper located at the top of the machine,
My equation of motion is for only this system and in the picture you can see that x is the coordinate.

The second part is this picture you are referring to https://imgur.com/hCMLepR. My problem is with this part.
 
My bad for missing the second picture :oldmad:, the one from the first part :rolleyes: of the exercise.
Helps a lot.

I see an ##\eta## instead of an n and a ##\kappa## instead of a K in the first picture (the one from the second part of the exercise).

Now I can follow the equation for ##x##, except I don't see why it has an ##\omega_n## instead of an ##\omega## and I think a square dropped out of the third term.

First part of the exercise yields you an amplitude ##A## for the steady state solution (right?) and I gather the exercise wants you to size ##m_a##, ##\kappa## and ##\eta## in such a way that that ##A## is reduced to a minimum (right?).

And you use the ADAMs program as a kind of integrator for the coupled oscillators (to find a minimum by trial and error ?), or do you set up the full set of equations of motion for both ##x## and ##y## (including the coupling terms) ?
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BvU said:
I see an η instead of an n and a κ instead of a K in the first picture (the one from the second part of the exercise).
That't correct it's my fault. I didn't know how to write these letters so I wrote n and K instead.

BvU said:
Now I can follow the equation for x, except I don't see why it has an ω_n instead of an ω and I think a square dropped out of the third term.
We use ω_nin the third term. I've seen on e.g. Wikipedia that it's ω_0 instead but it's the same. In the third term I did forgot a square it should be ω^2_n.

BvU said:
First part of the exercise yields you an amplitude A for the steady state solution (right?) and I gather the exercise wants you to size m_a, κ and η in such a way that that A is reduced to a minimum (right?).
. That's right. I have to find values of m_a, κ and η in such a way that that A is reduced to a minimum.

BvU said:
nd you use the ADAMs program as a kind of integrator for the coupled oscillators (to find a minimum by trial and error ?), or do you set up the full set of equations of motion for both x and y (including the coupling terms) ?

I use ADAMs to find a correlation between m_a, κ and η so A is reduced to a minimum. I do this by simulating my built model and varying each value one by one but I also have to find a correlation between these values using maybe a formula of some sort. I don't think it's necessary to find out the equation of motion for y too. My instinct says that minimizing of the amplitude A has to do with destructive interference between the rotor and the spring-damper system on top of the machine
 

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