2 electrons in box, hard walls, total energy E.

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of placing two electrons in a 1m cubed box with "hard" walls and the potential for photon production through electron scattering. However, it is concluded that such a setup is not possible in theory due to the need for infinite potential at some point in the walls. The idea of using a box from Feynman's Quantum Electrodynamics is introduced as a potential solution, but the feasibility of this setup is still uncertain.
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2 electrons in box, "hard" walls, total energy E.

Say we place 2 electrons inside an empty 1m cubed box with very "hard" walls, the electrons can penetrate only a very small distance into the walls of the box. Let us say that any photons produced by the scattering of the two electrons stay in the box as the box walls perfectly reflect them.

Could such a setup be envisioned in theory?

Say we start out such that the total energy in the box is above the rest energy of the two electrons and large enough such that photons from electron scattering have a wavelength much smaller then the size of the box. Now let billions of years pass.

In time the electrons will scatter and produce real photons?

Let enough time pass such that the 2 electrons come into equilibrium with the electromagnetic field, does theory allow me to divide the total energy inside the box into a sum of two parts, the energy of the 2 electrons and the energy in the electromagnetic field (I'm guessing one might also like to account for the energy in the field of the positron)?

As the total energy of the contents of the box gets to be hundreds or billions of times the rest mass of an electron can one make a hand waving argument as to how the energy in the box gets divided between the 2 electrons and the electromagnetic field (and all known fields)?

Thanks for any help!
 
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Spinnor said:
Say we place 2 electrons inside an empty 1m cubed box with very "hard" walls, the electrons can penetrate only a very small distance into the walls of the box. Let us say that any photons produced by the scattering of the two electrons stay in the box as the box walls perfectly reflect them.

Could such a setup be envisioned in theory?


Thanks for any help!

I do not know the answer to your primary question. You would just need to calculate the EM field based on electron scattering equations I suppose.

However this setup can not be envisioned in theory.

In order for the electron to only penetrate a very small distance the walls would need to have an infinite potential at some point. Electrons can penetrate any physical object.
 
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Maybe I need a new box, say one from Feynman, so that my question can be considered? From page 3 of Feynman's Quantum Electrodynamics,

Chapter 1 Interaction of Light with matter-Quantum Electrodynamics

... Suppose all the atoms of the universe are in a box. ...

... The box is considered to be full of photons. ...

Change that to two electrons in the universe.

Thanks for any help!
 

1. What is the significance of "2 electrons" in this scenario?

In this scenario, "2 electrons" refers to the number of electrons present in the box. This is a simplified model used in quantum mechanics to study the behavior and properties of electrons.

2. What do the "hard walls" represent in this system?

The "hard walls" represent an idealized scenario where the walls of the box are impenetrable, meaning that the electrons cannot escape or pass through them. This is often used in theoretical models to simplify the system and focus on the behavior of the particles within the box.

3. How is total energy E related to the electrons in the box?

Total energy E in this scenario refers to the combined energy of both electrons in the box. This energy is a sum of the kinetic energy and potential energy of the electrons. The specific value of E will depend on the properties of the box and the electrons.

4. What happens to the energy levels of the electrons as the size of the box changes?

As the size of the box changes, the energy levels of the electrons will also change. This is because the energy levels are determined by the dimensions of the box, and a larger or smaller box will have different energy levels available for the electrons to occupy.

5. How does the presence of two electrons in the box affect the energy levels?

The presence of two electrons in the box will result in a splitting of the energy levels. This is due to the Pauli exclusion principle, which states that no two particles can occupy the same quantum state simultaneously. As a result, the two electrons will have different energy levels available to them, leading to a splitting of the energy spectrum.

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