Do Electrons need Energy to Excite the EM field?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between electrons, their rest energy, and the excitation of the electromagnetic (EM) field. Participants explore the implications of an electron's mass energy and charge in the context of field theory, particularly regarding whether electrons possess energy to excite the EM field.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why an electron's rest energy, defined by E=mc^2, does not leave energy available to excite the EM field, given that mass energy is associated with the Higgs field.
  • Others argue that the charge associated with the EM field does not consume energy in a way that would deplete the electron's mass energy, suggesting that the energy related to charge is not analogous to mass energy.
  • One participant notes that the energy surrounding an electron, proportional to E^2, may contribute to its rest mass but does not imply that the electron loses energy to excite other fields.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of self-energy and renormalization, indicating the complexity of the question and its relation to popular science interpretations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between an electron's energy, mass, and its ability to excite the EM field. No consensus is reached regarding the implications of these relationships.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the nature of energy associated with charge and mass, as well as the complexities of field interactions and renormalization, which remain unresolved.

Ryan Reed
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Electrons have both mass and electromagnetic charge, so why is it that an electron's rest energy is equal to its mass energy with E=mc^2? Shouldn't it have some energy left over to excite the electromagnetic field? The mass energy excites the Higgs field, so why is there no energy for the EM field?
 
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The particle property associated with EM is charge, no "charge energy" is used up to make an excitation of the EM field producing a virtual photon.
The particle property associated with higgs is mass... you will notice that the particle does not lose mass energy to excite the higgs field producing the higgs boson.
Note: you cannot do physics by analogy.
 
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Ryan Reed said:
Electrons have both mass and electromagnetic charge, so why is it that an electron's rest energy is equal to its mass energy with E=mc^2? Shouldn't it have some energy left over to excite the electromagnetic field? The mass energy excites the Higgs field, so why is there no energy for the EM field?

The field E around an electron (or any charged particle) has energy proportional to E^2. It's thought this energy actually contributes to the rest mass of the electron. But it will never lose any of that energy to excite some other field.
 
... the self-energy of the electron, handled through renormalization.
It's kinda tricky to figure how best to answer this question since it seems to combine pop science descriptions.
 
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