2 Recommended texts, And the differences between them?

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The discussion revolves around recommendations and comparisons of physics textbooks, specifically focusing on "Physics for Scientists and Engineers" by Jewett/Serway and "Physics for Scientists and Engineers: A Strategic Approach with Modern Physics" by Randall D. Knight. Participants explore the suitability of these texts for calculus-based physics courses, their content quality, and seek additional recommendations for various physics topics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern about the high cost of Jewett/Serway and question its value compared to other textbooks.
  • There are inquiries about whether Knight's book is also calculus-based and how it compares in quality to Jewett/Serway.
  • One participant critiques the pricing of the solutions manual for Jewett/Serway, suggesting it indicates the main text's lack of value.
  • Recommendations for other physics texts include Kleppner and Kolenkow for mechanics, and Griffiths for electromagnetism, with varying opinions on their effectiveness.
  • Participants seek additional recommendations for topics such as fluid mechanics, optics, thermodynamics, and introductory physics texts that are calculus-based.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the quality of Jewett/Serway, with some expressing skepticism while others have not commented on it. Multiple competing views exist regarding the suitability of the recommended texts and their content.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in their familiarity with academic vocabulary, which may affect their ability to fully articulate their questions and concerns about the textbooks.

Who May Find This Useful

Students seeking recommendations for calculus-based physics textbooks, educators looking for comparative insights on teaching materials, and individuals interested in various physics topics may find this discussion beneficial.

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Hello everyone! My main physics teacher has made recommendations for us about textbooks, and those were:

A. Physics for scientists and engineers by Jewett/Serway.
B. Physics for Scientists and Engineers: A strategic approach with modern physics by Randall D. Knight.

1. I read the former for a while and actually liked it. But in comparison to other texts, is it worth the hefty price? I have to undergo intensive Math training during university and still doing it, so I really appreciate a Calculus-based textbooks with detailed Mathematical expressions if possible. That's when my question arises, does the second book (the one by Knight) Calculus-based, too? If yes, are the two books of the same quality in terms of academic contents?

2. I saw people complaining about the book by Jewett/Serway is a dreaded text with messy (overflowing? Sorry, have limited English) contents in it. How true is that compared to other similar textbooks? And is it true at all?

3. What are other good recommendations?

4. What are some good titles about quantum optics and radiophysics?

NOTE: I don't know much academc words about Math, so when I say 'Calculus-based' I mean the following, say: Integrals, line and surface Integrals, Differential equations, series (like Fourier series), functions, kinds of derivatives, etc. I am not a native speaker so I don't think I fully understand some academic Math vocabularies, but I hope my previous effort in explaining my view will aid you!

Thanks in advance!
Regards,
 
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Pefgjk said:
Hello everyone! My main physics teacher has made recommendations for us about textbooks, and those were:

A. Physics for scientists and engineers by Jewett/Serway.
B. Physics for Scientists and Engineers: A strategic approach with modern physics by Randall D. Knight.

1. I read the former for a while and actually liked it. But in comparison to other texts, is it worth the hefty price? I have to undergo intensive Math training during university and still doing it, so I really appreciate a Calculus-based textbooks with detailed Mathematical expressions if possible. That's when my question arises, does the second book (the one by Knight) Calculus-based, too? If yes, are the two books of the same quality in terms of academic contents?

2. I saw people complaining about the book by Jewett/Serway is a dreaded text with messy (overflowing? Sorry, have limited English) contents in it. How true is that compared to other similar textbooks? And is it true at all?

3. What are other good recommendations?

4. What are some good titles about quantum optics and radiophysics?

NOTE: I don't know much academc words about Math, so when I say 'Calculus-based' I mean the following, say: Integrals, line and surface Integrals, Differential equations, series (like Fourier series), functions, kinds of derivatives, etc. I am not a native speaker so I don't think I fully understand some academic Math vocabularies, but I hope my previous effort in explaining my view will aid you!

Thanks in advance!
Regards,

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I wouldn't choose that book, the book itself sells for $230 while the solutions manual sells for $120. Who are they kidding, $120 for a solutions manual? If the solutions manual is anywhere near that valuable, it must be needed because the book is rubbish. Because surely if the book is really good, the solutions manual is not adding a lot of value to the package and shouldn't cost $120.

Surely at that price, someone who buys the solutions manual is going to get value. And that can only happen if the main text is lacking value. So in no way would I choose that book. I think this is pretty close to a mathematical proof.

I can't comment on the Knight book but this Jewett/Serway one must be a poor choice, I think.
 
Old copy of giancoli physics for scientist n engineers. I nice introduction to physics. Even has derivations. After working from giancoli , purchase kleppner and kolenkow.
 
Thank you! I think I must own the book Kleppner.

One more important thing, actually I really need books that cover other topic, can you recommend me book for the following also:
1. Mechanics: as you already said: Kleppner and Kolenkow.

2. Fluid mechanics(does the Kleppner book include this topic, too?).

3. Electromagnetism.

4. Optics.

5. Thermodynamic.

6. Other topics of Introductory physics that I don't presently know?

7. What is a good calculus-text that contains everything about intro physics and is not bad? Like Freedmen's, Feynman's,... i mean

Thanks!
 
Just play with kleppner and kolenkow. It will take you some to work through it. Do not google solutions.
 
Pefgjk,

I can answer a couple of them - I didn't take advanced optics or thermodynamics. By all accounts, from what I've read from other scholars, kleppner is a great book for mechanics (i've never used it but the general consensus will likely steer you correctly).

I used Griffiths for electromagnetism - I have no complaints about the book - I think my teacher was great at teaching the subject matter - I took it concurrently with an electrical engineering fields course. I liked Griffiths significantly more than the textbook for the ECE course which i can't remember - Griffiths is written for physics students (more theory) as opposed to engineers.

I took Fluid Mechanics as well. We used Transport Phenomena by Bird and Stewart. This was an elective engineering course so it was more applied and less theoretical. For engineers (more specifically chemical engineers) this is a gold standard. I do not know if this is great from a physics perspective, just my two cents.

As far as introductory calc-based physics texts go, I've used Giancoli (Physics for Scientists and Engineers) and heard/read great reviews regarding University Physics (Young & Freedman) and Fundamentals of Physics (Halliday & Resnick). These are for the calc-based introductory physics sequences everywhere and are not nearly as rigorous as the above texts.
 

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