213.15.4.17 triple integral of bounded by cone and sphere

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The discussion focuses on finding the volume of a solid region bounded by a cone and a sphere using triple integrals. Participants explore the setup of the integral in both Cartesian and cylindrical coordinates, addressing the challenges of correctly expressing the limits of integration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using triple integrals to find the volume of the region defined by the cone \( z = \sqrt{x^2+y^2} \) and the sphere \( x^2+y^2+z^2=128 \).
  • Another participant suggests using cylindrical coordinates, noting that the cone transforms to \( z = r \) and the sphere to \( r^2 + z^2 = 128 \), leading to the upper portion of the sphere being \( z = \sqrt{128 - r^2} \).
  • It is mentioned that the cone and sphere intersect at \( r = 8 \), with the limits for \( \theta \) ranging from \( 0 \) to \( 2\pi \) and \( r \) from \( 0 \) to \( 8 \).
  • Participants discuss the setup of the integral, with one participant expressing confusion about the placement of \( dr \) in the integration process.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the evaluation of the inner integral with respect to \( z \), emphasizing that \( dz \) disappears after integration, not \( dr \).
  • There is a correction regarding the integral of \( r \, dr \), with a participant asserting that it is not simply \( r^2 \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the setup and evaluation of the integral, with some clarifying steps while others raise questions about the process. No consensus is reached on the correct approach or final expression for the volume.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential confusion regarding the limits of integration and the treatment of differentials in the context of cylindrical coordinates. There are also unresolved aspects related to the evaluation of integrals and the interpretation of results.

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$\textsf{Find the volume of the given solid region bounded by the cone}$
$$\displaystyle z=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}$$
$\textsf{and bounded above by the sphere}$
$$\displaystyle x^2+y^2+z^2=128$$
$\textsf{ using triple integrals}$

\begin{align*}\displaystyle
V&=\iiint\limits_{R}p(x,y,z) \, dV
\end{align*}

ok I don't think I can get the Integral set up the way the equations are written
I assume we break it up into $x=, y=$ and $z=$

\begin{align*}\displaystyle
z_{cone}&=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}\\
z^2&=x^2+y^2\\
x^2&=z^2-y^2\\
\therefore x_{cone}&=\sqrt{z^2-y^2}\\
y^2&=z^2-x^2\\
\therefore y_{cone}&=\sqrt{z^2-x^2}
\end{align*}.
 
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Because of the symmetry here, I think I would be inclined to use cylindrical coordinates.

In cylindrical coordinates, $$x= r cos(\theta)$$, [math]y= r sin(\theta)[/math], and [math]z= z[/math]. The cone becomes z= r and the sphere becomes [math]r^2+ z^2= 128[/math]. The upper portion of the sphere, above the cone, is given by [math]z= \sqrt{128- r^2}[/math]. The cone and sphere meet where [math]r^2+ r^2= 2r^2= 128[/math] so [math]r= 8[/math]. To cover the region between the cone and the sphere, [math]\theta[/math] must go from 0 to [math]2\pi[/math]. r must go from 0 to 8, and, for each r, z goes from r, at the cone, to [math]\sqrt{128- r^2}[/math], at the sphere. The "differential of volume" in cylindrical coordinates is [math]r drd\theta dz[/math] so the integral you want is

[math]\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^8 \int_r^{\sqrt{128- r^2}} r dz drd\theta[/math].
 
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
V&=\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^8 \int_r^{\sqrt{128- r^2}} r dz dr d\theta\\
&=\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^8\biggr[r^2\biggr]_r^{\sqrt{128- r^2}} dz \, d\theta\\
\end{align*}uhh the $dr$ ?
 
karush said:
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
V&=\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^8 \int_r^{\sqrt{128- r^2}} r dz dr d\theta\\
&=\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^8\biggr[r^2\biggr]_r^{\sqrt{128- r^2}} dz \, d\theta\\
\end{align*}uhh the $dr$ ?
uhh, what did you do with it? The first (inner) integral is with respect to z. When you have done that integral, it is the "dz" that disappears, not "dr".
[math]\int_r^{\sqrt{128- r^2}} r dz= \left[rz\right]_r^{\sqrt{128- r^2}}=r\sqrt{128- r^2}- r^2[/math]

So the next integral is [math]\int_0^8 r\sqrt{128- r^2}- r^2 dr[/math].

Of course, [math]\int_0^{2\pi} d\theta= 2\pi[/math] and just multiplies the other integral.

(And, by the way, the integral of "[math]rdr[/math]" is NOT "[math]r^2[/math]".)
 

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