244.14.4.8 Describe the given region in polar coordinates

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The discussion revolves around describing a region defined by the equation of a semicircle in polar coordinates, specifically the equation \(x^2+y^2=2y\) and its implications in both rectangular and polar forms. Participants explore the conditions under which the region can be considered a semicircle versus a full circle, as well as the necessary restrictions to define the semicircle.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the polar equation derived from the given rectangular equation is \(r = 2\sin\theta\), suggesting it is correct for describing the region.
  • Another participant points out that the equation represents a full circle, not a semicircle, and questions how a semicircle could be derived from the given conditions.
  • Further discussion includes the need for additional restrictions (e.g., \(x \ge 0\) or \(y \le 1\)) to define a semicircle from the full circle described by the equation.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding how the entire circle defined by \(y \ge 0\) can be interpreted as a semicircle, especially if the center were at the origin.
  • A later reply attempts to clarify the conditions under which the semicircle can be defined, discussing the implications of the equation \(y=1\pm\sqrt{1-x^2}\) and the range of \(y\) values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the region can be considered a semicircle without additional restrictions. There are competing views on the interpretation of the given conditions and the definitions of the shapes involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the interpretation of the region depends on the definitions used and the assumptions made about the constraints applied to the variables.

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$\tiny{up(alt) 244.14.4.8}\\$
$\textsf{Describe the given region in polar coordinates}\\$
$\textit{a. Find the region enclosed by the semicircle}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
x^2+y^2&=2y\\
y &\ge 0\\
\color{red}{r^2}&=\color{red}{2 \, r\sin\theta}\\
\color{red}{r}&=\color{red}{2\sin\theta}
\end{align*}

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ok
red is mine
but I thot this would be a semicircle when ploted
I think the polor equations is correct
 

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We are given in rectangular coordinates:

$$x^2+y^2=2y$$

If we put this into standard circle form, we have:

$$x^2+y^2-2y=0$$

$$x^2+y^2-2y+1=1$$

$$x^2+(y-1)^2=1$$
 
OK but isn't that still a circle and not a semicircle?

also,

standard circle form, isn't polar form?
 
karush said:
OK but isn't that still a circle and not a semicircle?

Yes, now if you had been given another restriction, such as (but not necessarily limited to):

  • $$x\ge0$$
  • $$x\le0$$
  • $$y\ge1$$
  • $$y\le1$$

Then, you would have a semi-circle.

karush said:
also,

standard circle form, isn't polar form?

I was referring to standard rectangular form:

$$(x-h)^2+(y-k)^2=r^2$$
 
OK I think I am confused on this

The whole circle as given is $y \ge 0$

how do you get a semicircle from this?

if the center were $(0,0)$ then I could see that:confused:
 
karush said:
OK I think I am confused on this

The whole circle as given is $y \ge 0$

how do you get a semicircle from this?

if the center were $(0,0)$ then I could see that:confused:

Well, we could write:

$$y=1\pm\sqrt{1-x^2}$$

Now, we must have:

$$-1\le\pm\sqrt{1-x^2}\le1$$

Hence:

$$0\le1\pm\sqrt{1-x^2}\le2$$

Or:

$$0\le y\le2$$

And so stating $0\le y$ would seem to be redundant.
 
OK I see,

appreciate the help a lot...

started calc 4 but already worried!
 

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