2nd order non-homogenous differentila equation

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The discussion revolves around a second-order non-homogeneous ordinary differential equation of the form y’’ + 2ξωny’ + ω²y = F. Participants are exploring the solution method involving convolution and the impulse response of the system.

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the formulation of the problem and the appropriate form of G(t) for different damping scenarios. Questions about the validity of the proposed G(t) functions and the overall setup of the problem are raised.

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the problem's statement and suggesting that the impulse response G(t) may be incorrectly defined. There is a suggestion to consider using the Laplace transform for a potentially easier solution approach.

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There are indications that the problem may lack clarity, particularly regarding the definitions and assumptions related to the damping cases. Participants are also discussing the implications of using convolution in the context of linear time-invariant systems.

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I have to start from a simple 2nd order ordinary deifferential equation as:

y’’+2ξωny’+ω2y = F

The solution should be of the form

y = ∫F(Ω) G(t - Ω) dΩ (integral from 0-t)


where

G(t) = 1/ω * e^(-ξωnt)sin(ξt) for ξ<1

G(t) = e^(-ωnt) for ξ=1

G(t) = 1/ω * e^(-ξωnt)sinh(ξt) for ξ>1

and

ω = ωn√|1-ξ^2|

n in ωn is subscript.

Any help in this regard will be highly gratified.

Thanks in advance.
 
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What exactly do you want to do?
 


I have to start from a simple 2nd order ordinary deifferential equation as:

y’’+2ξωy’+ω[tex]^{2}_{n}[/tex]y = F


The solution should be

y = ∫F(Ω) G(t - Ω) dΩ (integral from 0-t)


G(t) and ω is given in my first post.

Can u help. If u can give me ur email i will email u the problem in a better readable manner.

Thanks a lot for your concern.
 
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I'm not sure what you are trying to do but I'm pretty sure the problem is not properly stated.
By convolution, G(t) must be the impulse response of the second order LTI system which implies [tex]G^{''}+2 \zeta \omega _{n} G^{'} + \omega _{n}^{2} G=\delta (t)[/tex]

The stated G(t) are wrong for *all* cases (underdamped, critically-damped, and overdamped). i.e for the underdamped case, the damped rad freq should be omega_d, not zeta; in critically-damped case, the response is not a monotone function.

Solve the G(t) correctly first. It can be done by finding the step response first then take a time derivative of the step response.

If F(t) is LapLaceable, using Laplace transform to find y(t) is usually easier.
 

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