3 problems on Rotational Dynamics

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The discussion revolves around three problems in rotational dynamics, focusing on concepts such as angular momentum, conservation of momentum, and energy transformations in collisions. Participants are exploring the implications of these concepts in various scenarios involving a merry-go-round, a bullet-block system, and astronauts in space.

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of momentum in the context of a merry-go-round with a child hopping on, questioning the need to find the mass of the merry-go-round when the moment of inertia is provided.
  • In the bullet-block problem, there are inquiries about the angular momentum of the system and the fraction of kinetic energy converted into internal energy during the collision.
  • For the astronauts' problem, participants are calculating angular momentum and rotational energy, while also addressing the work done when shortening the distance between them.
  • Some participants suggest reconsidering the calculations and assumptions made, particularly regarding the final angular momentum and energy transformations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and guidance on how to approach the problems. There is recognition of different interpretations and calculations, particularly in the context of angular momentum and energy. Some participants have identified errors in their calculations and are working through the implications of those corrections.

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On this assignment I could do most of the work easily, I just have some questions on three problems

3. Homework Statement
A playground merry-go-round of radius R = 2.00 m has a moment of inertia I = 270 kg·m2 and is rotating at 9.0 rev/min about a frictionless vertical axle. Facing the axle, a 26.0 kg child hops onto the merry-go-round and manages to sit down on its edge. What is the new angular speed of the merry-go-round?3. Relevant equations
L=rmvsin[\theta]
I=.5MR[tex]^{2}[/tex]
[tex]\omega[/tex]= v/r

The Attempt at a Solution



I attempted to use conservation of momentum.

I=.5MR[tex]^{2}[/tex]
Solve for M (mass of merry-go-round)
I/.5R[tex]^{2}[/tex]=M
M=135 kg


Angular velocity
Circumference of merry-go-round=12.5664 m
12.5664 * 9
Initial velocity=113.0976

Initial Momentum
L=rmv
=2(135)(133.09760)
Li=30536.352

So final momentum should be the same
L=rmv
v=L/rm
30536.352/ 2(162)=94.248

This is wrong
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4. Homework Statement
A wooden block of mass M resting on a frictionless, horizontal surface is attached to a rigid rod of length and of negligible mass. The rod is pivoted at the other end. A bullet of mass m traveling parallel to the horizontal surface and perpendicular to the rod with speed v hits the block and becomes embedded in it.
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(a) What is the angular momentum of the bullet- block system? (For the following answers, use M for the mass M, m for the mass m, and L for the length .)

(b) What fraction of the original kinetic energy is converted into internal energy in the collision?

4. Relevant equations
? If someone could just point me in the right direction4. The attempt at a solution
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5. Homework Statement
Two astronauts, each having a mass of 70.0 kg, are connected by a 9.5 m rope of negligible mass. They are isolated in space, orbiting their center of mass at speeds of 5.50 m/s.
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(a) Treating the astronauts as particles, calculate the magnitude of the angular momentum.

(b) Calculate the rotational energy of the system.

(c) By pulling on the rope, one of the astronauts shortens the distance between them to 5.00 m. What is the new angular momentum of the system?

(d) What are the astronauts' new speeds?

(e) What is the new rotational energy of the system?

(f) How much work does the astronaut do in shortening the rope?

5. Relevant equations
L=mrvsin[\theta]
KE=.5I[tex]\omega[/tex][tex]^{2}[/tex]
Work=[tex]\Delta[/tex]KE
I=MR[tex]^{2}[/tex]
[tex]\omega[/tex]= v/r5. The attempt at a solution

I have the answers for a-e, but I'm having a hard time with f
A=3657.5 kg·m[tex]^{2}[/tex]/s
B=2117.5193 J
C=3657.5 kg·m[tex]^{2}[/tex]/s
D=10.5 m/s
E=7717.5 J

*fixed momentums

So F should be
Work=[tex]\Delta[/tex]KE
or 7717.5-2117.5193=5599.9807
But this is the wrong answer

*I figured it out, its supposed to be in Kj
 
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Some suggestions:

chavic said:
On this assignment I could do most of the work easily, I just have some questions on three problems

3. Homework Statement
A playground merry-go-round of radius R = 2.00 m has a moment of inertia I = 270 kg·m2 and is rotating at 9.0 rev/min about a frictionless vertical axle. Facing the axle, a 26.0 kg child hops onto the merry-go-round and manages to sit down on its edge. What is the new angular speed of the merry-go-round?


3. Relevant equations
L=rmvsin[\theta]
Consider the angular momentum of a rigid body, [tex]L=I \omega[/tex]. [tex]L = mvrsin\theta[/tex] is for a particle
I=.5MR[tex]^{2}[/tex]
[tex]\omega[/tex]= v/r

The Attempt at a Solution



I attempted to use conservation of momentum.

I=.5MR[tex]^{2}[/tex]
Solve for M (mass of merry-go-round)
You don't need to find the mass of the merry-go-round since you've been given the moment of inertia of the merry-go-round.
I/.5R[tex]^{2}[/tex]=M
M=135 kg


Angular velocity
Circumference of merry-go-round=12.5664 m
12.5664 * 9
Initial velocity=113.0976

Initial Momentum
L=rmv
=2(135)(133.09760)
Li=30536.352

So final momentum should be the same
L=rmv
v=L/rm
30536.352/ 2(162)=94.248
Remember that I(final) will be the sum of the two objects. So I(final) = I(merry-go-round) + I(child). Assume the child is a point mass.
This is wrong






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4. Homework Statement
A wooden block of mass M resting on a frictionless, horizontal surface is attached to a rigid rod of length and of negligible mass. The rod is pivoted at the other end. A bullet of mass m traveling parallel to the horizontal surface and perpendicular to the rod with speed v hits the block and becomes embedded in it.
p11-39.gif



(a) What is the angular momentum of the bullet- block system? (For the following answers, use M for the mass M, m for the mass m, and L for the length .)

(b) What fraction of the original kinetic energy is converted into internal energy in the collision?

4. Relevant equations
? If someone could just point me in the right direction
Start with the conservation of momentum of the collision between the bullet and the block. You need to figure out an expression for the velocity after the collision. Then consider the angular momentum of the block + bullet about the pivot point.

4. The attempt at a solution


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5. Homework Statement
Two astronauts, each having a mass of 70.0 kg, are connected by a 9.5 m rope of negligible mass. They are isolated in space, orbiting their center of mass at speeds of 5.50 m/s.
p11-59.gif



(a) Treating the astronauts as particles, calculate the magnitude of the angular momentum.

(b) Calculate the rotational energy of the system.

(c) By pulling on the rope, one of the astronauts shortens the distance between them to 5.00 m. What is the new angular momentum of the system?

(d) What are the astronauts' new speeds?

(e) What is the new rotational energy of the system?

(f) How much work does the astronaut do in shortening the rope?

5. Relevant equations
L=mrvsin[\theta]
KE=.5I[tex]\omega[/tex][tex]^{2}[/tex]
Work=[tex]\Delta[/tex]KE
I=MR[tex]^{2}[/tex]
[tex]\omega[/tex]= v/r
I would have used [tex]L=I \omega[/tex]. Remember that I will be the sum of the two astronauts. Although your way should work for this.


5. The attempt at a solution

I have the answers for a-e, but I'm having a hard time with f
A=3675 kg·m[tex]^{2}[/tex]/s
B=2117.5193 J
C=3675 kg·m[tex]^{2}[/tex]/s
D=10.5 m/s
E=7717.5 J
I get slightly different numbers than you. Can you show how you got the 3675?
So F should be
Work=[tex]\Delta[/tex]KE This should work.
or 7717.5-2117.5193=5599.9807
But this is the wrong answer
 
3.Angular velocity w = 2*pi*9/60 rad/s
Angular momentum = Iw Using this try again.
4.Using conservation of momentum find the velocity of the combined system of block and bullet. Then find the angular momenum. You can find the KE of bullet and bullet-block system.
 
OK, for #5 I was being dyslexic when I found angular momentum and switched the 5 and the 7 at the end, and I was doing the right thing for finding the work done, I just forgot to convert to KJ.
I'm working on the rest now.
 

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