311.1.5.14 Use vectors to describe this set as a line in R^4

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The discussion revolves around the use of vectors to describe a set as a line in R^4, focusing on the representation of variables and their relationships. Participants explore different approaches to expressing the vector form of the solution, particularly concerning the role of the free variable x_4.

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  • One participant presents a specific example with equations for x_1, x_2, and x_3 in terms of x_4, suggesting a vector representation.
  • Another participant challenges the first by questioning the assumption that x_4 should be set to zero, emphasizing that x_4 is a free variable and can take any value.
  • There is a suggestion that the vector can be expressed using a parameter t instead of x_4, indicating a preference for different notational forms.
  • Some participants express that the material is new to them, indicating varying levels of familiarity with the topic.
  • One participant advises another to start by learning the basic definitions related to the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are differing views on how to handle the free variable x_4 and its implications for the vector representation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the treatment of the free variable and the implications of setting it to specific values, which may affect the interpretation of the vector representation.

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ok, just now looking at some examples of how to do this $x_4$ is just a row with all zeros
 
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ok don't see any takers on this one but here is a book example that might help, so we have...

$x_1+3x_4, \quad x_2=8+x_4, \quad x_3 =2-5x_4$ with $x_4$ free

$x=\begin{bmatrix}x_1\\x_2\\x_3\\x_4\end{bmatrix}
=\begin{bmatrix}3x_4\\8+x_4\\2-5x_4\\x_4\end{bmatrix}
=\begin{bmatrix}0\\8\\2\\0\end{bmatrix}= ...$

hopefully so far
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Frankly it looks to me like you have no idea what you are supposed to be doing!

Yes, since we are told that "[math]x_1= 3x_4[/math], [math]x_2= 8+ x_4[/math], and [math]x_3= 2- 5x_4[/math] we have immediately that [math]\begin{bmatrix}x_1 \\ x_2 \\ x_3 \\ x_4 \end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix} 3x_4 \\ 8+ x_4 \\ 2- 5x_4 \\ x_4 \end{bmatrix}[/math].

But why then did you set [math]x_4[/math] to 0?? The problem says that [math]x_4[/math] is "free" which means that it can be any number. Saying that a number is "free" certainly does NOT mean that it is 0!

I would say that [math]\begin{bmatrix} 3x_4 \\ 8+ x_4 \\ 2- 5x_4 \\ x_4 \end{bmatrix}[/math] is a perfectly good answer but some people might prefer to replace the "coordinate", [math]x_4[/math] with the "parameter", t:
[math]\begin{bmatrix} 3t \\ 8+ t \\ 2- 5t \\ t \end{bmatrix}[/math].

Some would prefer to write that as
[math]\begin{bmatrix}0 \\ 8 \\ 2 \\ 0 \end{bmatrix}+\begin{bmatrix} 3 \\ 1 \\ -5 \\ 1 \end{bmatrix}t[/math].
 
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yes it is new material to me
 
Then you need to start by learning the basic definitions!
 

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