360 degrees and the Golden Ratio

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between the Golden Ratio and the angle of 36 degrees, particularly in the context of the historical choice of a 360-degree circle. Participants explore the mathematical and historical implications of these concepts, touching on the sexagesimal number system and its relevance to fractional arithmetic.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the Golden Ratio can be expressed as a function of the cosine of 36 degrees, suggesting a significant relationship between this angle and the 360-degree standard.
  • Others argue that the choice of 360 degrees is rooted in the sexagesimal number system, which facilitates fractional arithmetic due to its factorization properties.
  • One participant mentions that the origins of the sexagesimal system are complex and not as straightforward as often portrayed, indicating a need for further exploration of its historical context.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that if 36 degrees were significant in choosing the number of degrees in a circle, a base of 10 would have been more intuitive, questioning the relevance of the Golden Ratio in this context.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the connection between the Golden Ratio and the choice of degrees, emphasizing that the sexagesimal system predates trigonometry.
  • There is a suggestion that natural proportions, possibly anatomical, may have influenced the historical context of these measurements, adding another layer of complexity to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the significance of the Golden Ratio, the historical choice of 360 degrees, and the implications of the sexagesimal system.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the complexity of historical origins of the sexagesimal system and the lack of clarity on how various factors, such as natural proportions and the number of days in a year, may have influenced the choice of degrees.

DaTario
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Hi All,

I have just found in the internet an identity showing that the Golden Ratio can be expressed as a function of the cosine of the angle of 36 degrees. It seemed to me as an important fact related to this specific angle. Had this fact, historically, any relevance to the choice of the 360 degrees standard?

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio)

Best wishes,

DaTario
 
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DaTario said:
Hi All,

I have just found in the internet an identity showing that the Gonden Ration can be expressed as a function of the cossine of the angle of 36 degrees. It seemed to me as an important fact related to this specific angle. Had this fact, historically, any relevance to the choice of the 360 degrees standard?
Have you done ANY research to see where 360 degrees came from? It's not hard to do.
 
The 360 degrees came out of mathematicians using the sexagesimal number system:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexagesimal

Sexagesimal is great for doing fractional arithmetic because 60 can be factored in 2 * 3 * 2 * 5 which allows for fractionals like 1/2, 1/3, 1/5, 1/4, 1/6, 1/10, 1/12, 1/15, 1/20, 1/30, 1/60 and any combination thereof.
 
phinds said:
Have you done ANY research to see where 360 degrees came from? It's not hard to do.

I have done some research and the sexagesimal system is somewhat familiar to me, its factorization properties, anatomic origin and etc. But one of the sentences the research offered me was:
"the origins of sexagesimal are not as simple, consistent, or singular in time as they are often portrayed." - Wikipedia

So I am asking.
Sorry if I disturbed you.
Simple suggestion for you not to be further disturbed with my questions is to disregard them in a next oportunity.

Best wishes,

DaTario
 
36 degrees are just 1/10 of a circle. If that would have played any role in choosing the number of degrees in a circle, 10 would have been a much more natural choice. But I don't see any indication that the golden ratio would have played a role. The sexagesimal system is much older than trigonometry.
 
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mfb said:
36 degrees are just 1/10 of a circle. If that would have played any role in choosing the number of degrees in a circle, 10 would have been a much more natural choice. But I don't see any indication that the golden ratio would have played a role. The sexagesimal system is much older than trigonometry.
Ok, but not necessarily trigonometry was the body of knowledge used. Natural proportions (possibly anatomic), I would say, may have been the crucial knowledge to this connection, as they were known since long.

Besides, the role played by number of days in a year seems, imo, to add more confusion to this discussion.

Thank you mfb for your contribution.
Best wishes,

DaTario
 

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