Can a 3x3 Matrix Represent a Quadratic, Cubic, or Quartic Function?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of representing quadratic, cubic, or quartic functions using a 3x3 matrix. Participants explore the conditions under which such a matrix can exist and the implications of matrix equations involving inverses.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a 3x3 matrix can be constructed analogously to a 2x2 matrix, but they seek specific values for the matrix elements to satisfy the equation.
  • Others argue that the existence of such a matrix depends on it being invertible, suggesting that the equation is applicable for any square matrix with an inverse.
  • A participant mentions the problem in matrix form as finding a matrix A such that A^2 = I, indicating a search for non-trivial solutions beyond the identity matrix.
  • Another participant explains that matrices satisfying A^2 = I can be represented in a specific form involving a diagonal matrix with entries of ±1, noting that this representation is not unique and applies to all dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the specifics of constructing the 3x3 matrix and the conditions required for it to represent higher-order functions. No consensus is reached regarding the exact values needed for the matrix elements or the nature of the solutions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of matrices and their inverses, but these assumptions are not universally agreed upon. The implications of the matrix representation for quadratic, cubic, or quartic functions remain unresolved.

Bruno Tolentino
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I have a doubt...

Look this matrix equation:
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> A\\<br /> B<br /> \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}<br /> +\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} &amp; +\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\\<br /> +\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} &amp; -\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}<br /> \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix}<br /> X\\<br /> Y<br /> \end{bmatrix}
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> X\\<br /> Y<br /> \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}<br /> +\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} &amp; +\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\\<br /> +\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} &amp; -\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}<br /> \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix}<br /> A\\<br /> B<br /> \end{bmatrix}
By analogy, should exist a matrix 3x3 such that:
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> A\\<br /> B\\<br /> C\\<br /> \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}<br /> ? &amp; ? &amp; ?\\<br /> ? &amp; ? &amp; ?\\<br /> ? &amp; ? &amp; ?\\<br /> \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix}<br /> X\\<br /> Y\\<br /> Z\\<br /> \end{bmatrix}
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> X\\<br /> Y\\<br /> Z\\<br /> \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}<br /> ? &amp; ? &amp; ?\\<br /> ? &amp; ? &amp; ?\\<br /> ? &amp; ? &amp; ?\\<br /> \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix}<br /> A\\<br /> B\\<br /> C\\<br /> \end{bmatrix}
So, what values need be replaced in ? for the matrix equation above be right?

I think that my doubt is related with these wikipages:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadratic_formula#By_Lagrange_resolvents
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_function#Lagrange.27s_method
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartic_function#Solving_by_Lagrange_resolvent

EDIT: The inverse of the 3x3 matrix need be equal to itself.
 
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Bruno Tolentino said:
I have a doubt...

Look this matrix equation:
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> A\\<br /> B<br /> \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}<br /> +\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} &amp; +\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\\<br /> +\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} &amp; -\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}<br /> \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix}<br /> X\\<br /> Y<br /> \end{bmatrix}
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> X\\<br /> Y<br /> \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}<br /> +\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} &amp; +\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\\<br /> +\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} &amp; -\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}<br /> \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix}<br /> A\\<br /> B<br /> \end{bmatrix}
Your question is not very complicated. If ##\vec{x} = A\vec{b}##, and A is an invertible matrix, then ##\vec{b} = A^{-1}\vec{x}##. Note that capital letters are usually used for matrix names, and lower case letters are used for vectors or the components of vectors.
Bruno Tolentino said:
By analogy, should exist a matrix 3x3 such that:
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> A\\<br /> B\\<br /> C\\<br /> \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}<br /> ? &amp; ? &amp; ?\\<br /> ? &amp; ? &amp; ?\\<br /> ? &amp; ? &amp; ?\\<br /> \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix}<br /> X\\<br /> Y\\<br /> Z\\<br /> \end{bmatrix}
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> X\\<br /> Y\\<br /> Z\\<br /> \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}<br /> ? &amp; ? &amp; ?\\<br /> ? &amp; ? &amp; ?\\<br /> ? &amp; ? &amp; ?\\<br /> \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix}<br /> A\\<br /> B\\<br /> C\\<br /> \end{bmatrix}
Yes, as long as the matrix has an inverse. The equation I wrote is applicable for any square matrix A that has an inverse.
Bruno Tolentino said:
None of these links is helpful, as far as I can see. Any linear algebra textbook will have a section on finding the inverse of a square matrix.
Bruno Tolentino said:
EDIT: The inverse of the 3x3 matrix need be equal to itself.
Of course.
 
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The problem in matrix form is find A (if it exist other than A=I) where A^2=I. In scalar form it is 9 equations with 9 unknowns.
 
You need to find matrices such that ##A^2=I##, or equivalently, such that ##A^{-1}=A##. Any such matrix can be represented as ##A=SJS^{-1}##, where ##S## is an invertible matrix, and ##J## is a diagonal matrix with entries ##\pm 1## on the diagonal . When all diagonal entries of ##J## are ##1## you get ##A=I##, when all equal ##-1## you get ##A=-I##; when ##J## has both ##1## and ##-1## on the diagonal you will get a non-trivial example of a matrix ##A##.

This is a complete description, meaning that any matrix ##A## such that ##A^{-1}=A## can be represented as ##A=SJS^{-1}## (but the representation is not unique). And this is true in all dimensions, not just in dimension 3.
 
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