4-momentum of a massless particle

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The discussion revolves around the concept of 4-momentum for massless particles, specifically focusing on the implications of different values of k in their 4-momentum representation. The scope includes theoretical considerations and implications for physical properties such as energy, momentum, and their effects on phenomena like light sails.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the 4-momentum of a massless particle traveling in the z direction is represented as (k, 0, 0, k) and questions the significance of the value of k, noting that it does not determine speed since massless particles always travel at light speed.
  • Another participant points out that different values of k and j indicate different momentum and energy, which affect how a particle would interact with a light sail and the transitions it could excite, referencing the relationship between energy, frequency, and wavelength.
  • A third participant reiterates the initial point about the 4-momentum representation and agrees with the previous reply, emphasizing that while the particles have the same velocity, their energy and momentum differ, leading to variations in wavelength and frequency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the distinction between the physical properties of massless particles with different 4-momentum values, though the discussion does not resolve any deeper implications or interpretations of these differences.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not address potential limitations or assumptions regarding the definitions of energy, momentum, or the implications of masslessness on particle behavior.

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The 4-momentum of a massless particle traveling in the z direction is (k, 0, 0, k). What is the significance of the value of k? It does not determine the speed since they always travel at light speed. If one particle has momentum (k, 0, 0, k) and another has (j, 0, 0, j) with j not equal to k, what is the physical difference between them?
 
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The momentum it carries is different. The energy is different. So how hard it would push on a light sail and the transitions it could excite are different. ##E=h\nu##, so the frequency and wavelength are different.
 
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pellman said:
The 4-momentum of a massless particle traveling in the z direction is (k, 0, 0, k). What is the significance of the value of k? It does not determine the speed since they always travel at light speed. If one particle has momentum (k, 0, 0, k) and another has (j, 0, 0, j) with j not equal to k, what is the physical difference between them?
I second @Ibix reply. The two particles have the same velocity (speed and direction) but energy and momentum are different and consequently wavelength and frequency.
 
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I knew it would be something I already knew! Lol! Thank you, guys!
 
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