48.2.2.23 IVP and min valuew

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The discussion revolves around solving the initial value problem given by the differential equation $y'=2y^2+xy^2$ with the initial condition $y(0)=1$. Participants are also interested in finding the minimum value of the solution.

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  • One participant presents a solution approach involving separation of variables and integration, leading to an expression for $y$.
  • Another participant identifies a typo in the presented solution, suggesting that the term should be "$x^2/2$" instead of "$x/2$".
  • A later reply questions the presence of an additional constant "c" in the final expression, seeking clarification on its origin.
  • Another participant reiterates the solution steps and provides an alternative form of the solution, expressing concern about the last equation presented in the initial post.
  • There is a suggestion that the previous line before solving for $y$ could be considered a sufficient solution without further manipulation.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the correctness of the final expression for $y$ and the presence of the additional constant "c". There is no consensus on the resolution of these points, and multiple interpretations of the solution process are presented.

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Participants note potential typos and ambiguities in the mathematical expressions, particularly concerning the integration steps and the constants involved. The discussion does not resolve these issues definitively.

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\tiny{b.48.2.2.23}
Solve the initial value problem $y'=2y^2+xy^2,\quad y(0)=1$
find min value

$\begin{array}{ll}
\textit{separate variables}
&\dfrac{1}{y^{2}}\ dy=(2+x)\ dx\\ \\
\textit{integrate}
& -\dfrac{1}{y}=2x+\dfrac{x^2}{2}+C\\ \\
\textit{plug in $(0,1)$}
& -\dfrac{1}{1}=0+0+c \therefore c=-1\\ \\
\textit{the equations is}
& y=-1/(x/2+2x-1)+c\\ \\
y'=0 & \textit{returns } x=-2
\end{array}$

typos maybe:cool:
 
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There is a typo where you have
$y= -1/(x/2+ 2x- 1)+ c$
You clearly intended "$x^2/2$". Also, having determined that the constant of integration was -1, where did that additional "c" come from?
 
here is the book answer

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yeah your right about the $x^2$
 
karush said:
\tiny{b.48.2.2.23}
Solve the initial value problem $y'=2y^2+xy^2,\quad y(0)=1$
find min value

$\begin{array}{ll}
\textit{separate variables}
&\dfrac{1}{y^{2}}\ dy=(2+x)\ dx\\ \\
\textit{integrate}
& -\dfrac{1}{y}=2x+\dfrac{x^2}{2}+C\\ \\
\textit{plug in $(0,1)$}
& -\dfrac{1}{1}=0+0+c \therefore c=-1\\ \\
\textit{the equations is}
& y=-1/(x/2+2x-1)+c\\ \\
y'=0 & \textit{returns } x=-2
\end{array}$

typos maybe:cool:
Every thing is good until that last equation!
Integrating gives
$-\frac{1}{y}= \frac{x^2}{2}+ 2x+ C$
an y(0)= 1 gives C= -1 so
$-\frac{1}{y}= \frac{x^2}{2}+ 2x- 1$.

Then solving for y (if you are asked to do so- I would consider the previous line a perfectly good solution)
$y= \frac{-1}{\frac{x^2}{2}+ 2x- 1}$
or, if you don't like a fraction in the denominator of afraction, multiply both numerator and denominator by 2:
$y= \frac{-2}{x^2+ 4x- 2}$

But, again, where did that "+c" in your last line come from?
 

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