6D calculation of spring-forces/moments

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on calculating the deformation of springs under various forces and moments for a master's thesis in electrical engineering. The user, Helferlein, seeks methods to analyze stress, torsion, shear, and bending in springs. Key recommendations include using Finite Element Analysis (FEA) for modeling spring response and considering simpler structures, such as fixed-end beams, for analysis. The conversation emphasizes the complexity of accurately measuring combined loads on springs and suggests alternative sensor designs for improved results.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of spring mechanics and deformation principles
  • Familiarity with Finite Element Analysis (FEA) techniques
  • Knowledge of beam theory and stress analysis
  • Basic concepts of photoelastic methods for stress measurement
NEXT STEPS
  • Research Finite Element Analysis (FEA) software tools for spring modeling
  • Study beam bending principles and fixed-end beam analysis
  • Explore photoelastic methods for stress analysis in materials
  • Investigate alternative sensor designs for multi-axis force measurement
USEFUL FOR

Electrical engineering students, mechanical engineers, researchers in materials science, and professionals involved in sensor design and analysis of mechanical systems.

Helferlein
Messages
2
Reaction score
1
Hi,

I'm a student in electrical engineering and I'm writing my master thesis at the moment. Ironically I'm now confronted with the deformation of springs. I'm not a physics (!) but I think and hope that you may can help me. Simple push and pull forces are not the problem.
I need to calculate all possible moments and forces and all possible combinations which can act on a spring. So I need to cover stress, torsion, shear, bending in all three spatial directions. My advisors told me to have a look at the beam theory but I didn't found an analogy for springs.

Can you help me?

Thanks in advance,
Helferlein
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Jon Russ
Engineering news on Phys.org
Why do you need to do this ??
 
Nidum said:
Why do you need to do this ??

The goal is to record the deformation with a camera and get the applied forces and moments out of this. It's some kind of a visual 6D force/torch sensor.
 
So you have a simple helical wire spring anchored at one end and free to move in all directions at the other end ?

There is nothing intrinsically difficult about working out the deflection of a spring under compound loading . Might take you a while though .

Conceptually you have to break the spring down into elemental lengths and match forces and deflections between adjacent elements all along the spring using analytic methods .

There is also an approximate method where it is assumed that the several types of flexure do not interact and that they can be analysed independently .

Alternatively use a numerical method based on a chain of discrete elements each of which consists of one full turn of the spring . Using matrix methods and some computer time a good model of the spring response could be developed .

Personally I would use FEA or just buy a spring and test it .
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Jon Russ
Just note :

There are lot's of other ways to design an all axis sensor .

Almost certainly there are better ways of doing what you want than monitoring the movement of the end of a single spring .

In any case a different concept for the sensor design might well make the maths much easier .
 
This application sounds questionable... While it would be reasonably easy to measure length change with a vision system and correlate with the force applied to a compressing a spring, it will be very difficult to calculate/decompose some of the more complicated shear or moment loads (especially out-of-plane ones) you could "in theory" apply to a spring.

My recommendations if you're stuck to the vision system is:
  1. Choose a simpler structure to analyze, like a simple cross-section fixed-end beam (Wikipedia: Beam Bending)
  2. Limit the number of loads you're planning to determine, it isn't realistic to think you can decompose more than 2 or 3 of combined loads on a complex structure via analytical means.
  3. Alternatively, you might consider developing a vision system which uses a photoelastic method for determining stress in parts via stress birefringence.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
5K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
8
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
6K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 28 ·
Replies
28
Views
2K