A ball tied up at an angular plane: Forces and torque

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The discussion focuses on solving a physics problem involving a spherical ball of radius 20 cm and mass 3.0 kg, positioned on an inclined plane at an angle of 30°. The key equations derived include the equilibrium conditions for forces and torques acting on the ball. The participant initially calculated the tension (T), normal force (N), and friction force (F) but encountered issues with the torque equation, leading to incorrect values. The correct approach involves recognizing that the position vectors for each force in the torque equation are distinct, which is crucial for accurate calculations.

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Homework Statement


A spherical ball with radius R and mass M is kept in place at a plane with angle θ. The ball is kept in place with a string, as shown in this picture:
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Given R = 20cm, M = 3.0kg, and θ = 30°, find:
1) the tension of the string.
2) the normal force on the ball from the plane.
3) the size of the friction force on the ball.

Homework Equations



I assume the ball to be in static equlibrium, so the sum of forces acting on the ball must be zero, as must the sum of torques:
\sum \vec{F} = 0
\sum \vec{\tau} = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


Based on the information given, I've found 4 forces acting on the ball: The gravity G, the normal force N, the frictional force F, and the force from the string T.

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Based on this, I've come up with 3 equations:
\vec{T} + \vec{F_x} = \vec{N_x} \rightarrow T\hat{x} + Fcos(\theta)\hat{x} = N cos(90-\theta)\hat{x}
\vec{N_y} + \vec{F_y} = M\vec{g} \rightarrow Nsin(90-\theta)\hat{y} + Fsin(\theta)\hat{y} = Mg\hat{y}
\vec{T} \times \vec{R} + \vec{F} \times \vec{R} + \vec{N} \times \vec{R} = 0

My real problem is, I can't figure anything out from the third equation. Is my problem purely mathematical? Or have I made a mistake during the decomposing of the forces?

Thanks in advance for any advice! Also sorry for any (big) spelling mistakes.
 
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You have decomposed the forces correctly, but you can do more with the third equation. Have a look at each of the terms, and look at the (very neat) diagram you have drawn. Can you immediately evaluate one of the terms?
 
BruceW said:
You have decomposed the forces correctly, but you can do more with the third equation. Have a look at each of the terms, and look at the (very neat) diagram you have drawn. Can you immediately evaluate one of the terms?

Right, so by the definition of cross product, I get the third equation to be
RT + RF = 0
Solving this system of equations yields
T = -109.7
F = 109.7
N = -29.4
Shouldn't N be positive? And the size of T and F seems a little big to me..
 
Zhartek said:
Right, so by the definition of cross product, I get the third equation to be
RT + RF = 0
This isn't quite right, which is why the rest of the calculation will have gone awry. You had the equation:
\vec{T} \times \vec{R} + \vec{F} \times \vec{R} + \vec{N} \times \vec{R} = 0
And each of the R vectors correspond to the position vectors where each of the forces are applied. In other words, the R vectors are generally different for each. And using the definition of the cross product, we don't get RT + RF = 0 (but you are close!)
 

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