A better notation for a differential?

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The discussion centers on the notation used for differentials in mathematics, particularly the ##\frac{df}{dx}## and ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}## forms. Participants explore the implications of these notations, their meanings, and potential improvements, focusing on theoretical aspects rather than educational contexts.

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  • Some participants argue that the notation ##\frac{df}{dx}## is problematic due to the different meanings of 'd' when applied to the function versus the argument.
  • Others note that the use of '##\partial##' for partial differentials introduces ambiguity, as the arguments of the function are implied rather than explicitly stated.
  • One participant suggests that a differential of a multivariable function is a covector and that a second differential is a tensor, which is obscured by the current notation.
  • Several participants question whether there have been successful attempts to improve differential notation in advanced mathematical literature, beyond standard textbooks.
  • Some participants provide examples of alternative notations, such as $$D_{x_0}L_g(v)$$ and $$\left. \frac{df(x)}{dx}\right|_{x = x_0}$$, suggesting that more explicit forms can reduce ambiguity.
  • One participant asserts that the standard notations are effective for manipulation, even if the underlying concepts are not fully understood.

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Participants express differing views on the effectiveness and clarity of current differential notation. While some see significant issues and potential for improvement, others defend the existing notations as sufficient.

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Participants acknowledge that the discussion may be limited by the context of advanced mathematical literature and the specific applications of differentials, which may not be fully represented in standard educational materials.

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A ##\frac{df}{dx}## notation is problematic. Obviously, the letter 'd' has very different meaning when applied to the function or to the argument. Additionally, a separate letter '##\partial##' is used to denote a partial differential (a very rare case in math when a notation used for a general case of partial differential cannot be used for a more specific case of a full differential). Additionally, the ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}## expression is ambiguous as the arguments of the 'f' function are only implied and not stated explicitly. Additionally, a differential of a multivariable function is a covector, a second differential is a tensor, but that fact is just masked by considering the partial differentials separately. I guess, there may be more recognized disadvantages of the above notation.
The question: were there any successful attempts to improve the notation for the differential specifically in math? I mean not in the school textbooks, but generally. May be some advanced books and topics may use a different, better notation?
 
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MichPod said:
A ##\frac{df}{dx}## notation is problematic. Obviously, the letter 'd' has very different meaning when applied to the function or to the argument. Additionally, a separate letter '##\partial##' is used to denote a partial differential (a very rare case in math when a different notation is needed to be used for a general case of partial differential and a more specific case of the full differential). Additionally, the ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}## expression is ambiguous as the arguments of the 'f' function are only implied and not stated explicitly. Additionally, a differential of a multivariable function is a covector, a second differential is a tensor, but that fact is just masked by considering the partial differentials separately. I guess, there may be more recognized disadvantages of the above notation.
The question: were there any successful attempts to improve the notation for the differential specifically in math? I mean not in the school textbooks, but generally. May be some advanced books and topics may use a different, better notation?
Here is a (probably incomplete) list of what is already used:
$$D_{x_0}L_g(v)= (DL_g)_{x_0}(v) = \left.\frac{d}{d\,x}\right|_{x=x_0}\,L_g(x).v = J_{x_0}(L_g)(v)=J(L_g)(x_0;v)$$
Source https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/journey-manifold-su2mathbbc-part/
 
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fresh_42 said:
Here is a (probably incomplete) list of what is already used:
Don't forget at the other end of the spectrum ## y', \ddot x ## etc, and also ## \nabla, \nabla \cdot, \nabla \times ##.

I don't see that this is a big thing: in general one uses the simplest notation whose meaning is clear in its context.
 
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MichPod said:
A ##\frac{df}{dx}## notation is problematic. Obviously, the letter 'd' has very different meaning when applied to the function or to the argument.
One can always be more explicit as to how the derivative function should be evaluated, like so:
$$\left. \frac{df(x)}{dx}\right|_{x = x_0}$$
MichPod said:
Additionally, a separate letter '##\partial##' is used to denote a partial differential (a very rare case in math when a different notation is needed to be used for a general case of partial differential and a more specific case of the full differential). Additionally, the ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}## expression is ambiguous as the arguments of the 'f' function are only implied and not stated explicitly.
If this is a problem, the arguments can be made explicit:
$$\frac{\partial f(x, y)}{\partial x}$$
Or if the partial is to be evaluated at a particular point:
$$\left.\frac{\partial f(x, y)}{\partial x} \right|_{(x, y) = (x_0, y_0)}$$
MichPod said:
The question: were there any successful attempts to improve the notation for the differential specifically in math? I mean not in the school textbooks, but generally. May be some advanced books and topics may use a different, better notation?
As @pbuk already noted, in the direction of more ambiguity, there are notations like ##y'## and ##\ddot x## that are more or less due to Newton. I view the Liebniz notation (i.e., df/dx etc.), as being a considerable improvement in many circumstances.
 
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The standard notations are extremely good. You can learn to manipulate the symbols without mistakes even if you don't really understand the notions. How can you improve on that!
 
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