A bit of clarification on the domain of a composite function

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the properties of composite functions, specifically examining whether the functions f(x) = 1/(1/x) and g(x) = x are the same, considering their domains and definitions. The conversation explores the implications of domain restrictions and the concept of removable singularities.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether f(x) and g(x) are the same function, noting that f(x) is undefined at x = 0 while g(x) is defined for all real numbers.
  • Another participant agrees that f and g are different functions due to the undefined nature of f(0), but acknowledges that they coincide on the domain of all real numbers except zero.
  • It is suggested that if both functions are defined only for positive real numbers, they could be considered identical.
  • A participant raises a question about the ability to plot f(x) at the origin using a graphing calculator, prompting a discussion about the simplification of expressions and domain determination.
  • There is an acknowledgment of the concept of removable singularities, indicating that f(x) could be made to match g(x) by defining it appropriately.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that f(x) and g(x) are different functions due to their domains, but there is a discussion about the conditions under which they could be considered identical. The conversation remains unresolved regarding the implications of plotting f(x) at the origin.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of defining the domain and codomain of functions, as well as the potential for different interpretations based on these definitions. There are unresolved aspects regarding the graphical representation of f(x) and its implications for understanding the function's behavior at singular points.

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Recently when I reviewed something about the composite function for my calculus exam, I remembered I had been thinking a question for quite a long time (maybe I was going into a dead end) since I was in high school.

I was thinking whether f(x)=1/(1/x) and g(x)=x are the same function or not.
It seems like f(x) is essentially g(x) but according to some kind of definition:

" The composition of two functions f and g is the function h = f ◦ g defined by h(x) = f(g(x)), for all x in the domain of g such that g(x) is in the domain of f. "

Then if I take p(x)=q(x)=1/x (just to avoid confusion), then the composite function is f(x)=p(q(x)), for all x in the domain of q such that q(x) is in the domain of p(x). While in this case, q(x) or the range of q(x), namely (-∞,0)∪(0,∞), is always in the domain of p(x), and all x in the domain of q is also (-∞,0)∪(0,∞), then should the domain of f(x) be (-∞,0)∪(0,∞)? If so, f(x) and g(x) have different domains (the domain of g(x) is R obviously). Does it mean f(x) and g(x) are different functions?
(Of course I could have used just p(x)=1/x and said f(x)=p(p(x)), but it's just for avoiding some confusion.
Hope you will get that idea.)
 
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You are right, ##f## and ##g## are different functions, simply because ##f(0)## isn't defined, whereas ##g(0)## is.
They both coincide on ##\mathbb{R}-\{0\}##, and in case we would only consider functions on the multiplicative part of the reals, that is ##\mathbb{R}^*=\mathbb{R}-\{0\}## they are indeed equal. But this is a bit artificial in this situation. On the entire real number line, we have two straights through the origin, but ##f(x)## has a gap at ##x=0##. It is called a removable singularity, because we can insert just one point and get ##g(x)##.
 
To fully define a function you have to define its domain and codomain. If you say the domain of g is the whole set of real numbers then f and g will be different. But that is not the only choice. You can define both f and g only for positive real x for example, and make them identical.
 
Okay. Thanks a lot. That really helps.
 
But why can I still plot the point at origin intersecting with f(x) in Desmos (a graphing calculator)?
 
It might simplify the expression before determining its possible domain.
 

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