A calculation involving differential operators

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the square of angular momentum components expressed through differential operators. The original poster presents the expressions for angular momentum components and seeks assistance in deriving the expression for L^2, which they believe is incorrect based on their calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the expansion of angular momentum components and question the absence of second derivatives in the derivative expressions. There is discussion about the necessity of using the product rule when simplifying terms, which may lead to second derivatives.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the use of the product rule and discussing the implications of using index notation with Einstein summation convention. Some participants suggest that the use of the commutator may help avoid second differential operators.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of potential distractions regarding index notation and its simplification of the problem, indicating that the original poster may be facing challenges with the notation and the underlying mathematical principles.

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Homework Statement


I have the following expressions for angular momentum components: [itex]L_1 = x_2\frac{\partial}{\partial x_3} - x_3\frac{\partial}{\partial x_2}[/itex], [itex]L_2 = x_3\frac{\partial}{\partial x_1} - x_1\frac{\partial}{\partial x_3}[/itex], [itex]L_3 = x_1\frac{\partial}{\partial x_2} - x_2\frac{\partial}{\partial x_1}[/itex], and I simply need to work out [itex]L^2 = L_1^2 + L_2^2 + L_3^2[/itex].

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Well, the way I expand it gives [tex]L_1^2 = (x_2\frac{\partial}{\partial x_3} - x_3\frac{\partial}{\partial x_2})(x_2\frac{\partial}{\partial x_3} - x_3\frac{\partial}{\partial x_2}) = x_2\frac{\partial}{\partial x_3}x_2\frac{\partial}{\partial x_3} - x_2\frac{\partial}{\partial x_3}x_3\frac{\partial}{\partial x_2} - x_3\frac{\partial}{\partial x_2}x_2\frac{\partial}{\partial x_3} + x_3\frac{\partial}{\partial x_2}x_3\frac{\partial}{\partial x_2} = -x_2\frac{\partial}{\partial x_2} - x_3\frac{\partial}{\partial x_3},[/tex] and similarly [tex]L_2^2 = -x_1\frac{\partial}{\partial x_1} - x_3\frac{\partial}{\partial x_3}[/tex] and [tex]L_3^2 = -x_1\frac{\partial}{\partial x_1} - x_2\frac{\partial}{\partial x_2},[/tex] so that [tex]L^2 = -2x_1\frac{\partial}{\partial x_1} - 2x_2\frac{\partial}{\partial x_2} - 2x_3\frac{\partial}{\partial x_3}[/tex] But this is not the expression for [itex]L^2[/itex] that I'm supposed to get! So I must be doing something wrong. Can anyone help?
 
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How can the derivative expression for L_1^2 not have any second derivatives in it?
 
That's a good question. I guess it should. When I simplify a term like [itex]x_2\frac{\partial}{\partial x_3}x_2\frac{\partial}{\partial x_3}[/itex], do I have to use the product rule? That would get the second derivatives.
 
Adorno said:
That's a good question. I guess it should. When I simplify a term like [itex]x_2\frac{\partial}{\partial x_3}x_2\frac{\partial}{\partial x_3}[/itex], do I have to use the product rule? That would get the second derivatives.

Yes, you do! I see what you were doing. E.g. d/dx(x*d/dy)f=d/dx(x*df/dy). Sure, it's the derivative of a product. Not the same as (dx/dx)df/dy.
 
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also, hopefully not to distract from the question at hand, but do you know about index notation with einstein summation convention? Definitely worth learning and wiould simplify this problem

it that notation you could write the problem as:
[tex]L_i = \epsilon_{ijk}x_j \frac{\partial}{\partial x_k}[/tex]

[tex]L^2 = L_i-L_j \delta_{ij}= L_iL_i[/tex]
 
Dick said:
How can the derivative expression for L_1^2 not have any second derivatives in it?
And that is why we always use the "comutator", LM- ML, which will NOT have second differential operators.
 

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