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The discussion revolves around a calculus problem related to the manipulation of derivatives and integrals in the context of a physics problem. Participants are examining the transition from a differential equation to an integral form, specifically how to express the derivative of a function in a fractional form.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the justification for treating the derivative as a fraction, specifically how to transition from the equation involving the derivative of p with respect to y to a form that separates variables. Some express curiosity about the notation and the underlying calculus principles, while others provide insights into the use of differentials.

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A calculus "how do they get there from here" question

I'm trying to understand this step in my physics book:

From this (K is a constant.)

(1) [tex]{\frac {{\it dp}}{{\it dy}}}=Kp[/tex]

To this

(2) [tex]{\frac {{\it dp}}{p}}=K{\it dy}[/tex]

and then to this

(3) [tex]\int \!{p}^{-1}{dp}=\int \!K{dy}[/tex]

How do they get from (1) to (2) How is it that they can break up the notation for the derivative of p with respect to y and treat it like a fraction where dp is divided by dy?
 
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It's a sloppy but handy shorthand. More correctly you get (1/p)*(dp/dy)=K. Now integrate both sides dy and do a change of variable y->p(y) on the left side.
 
kennykroot said:
I'm trying to understand this step in my physics book:

From this (K is a constant.)

(1) [tex]{\frac {{\it dp}}{{\it dy}}}=Kp[/tex]

To this

(2) [tex]{\frac {{\it dp}}{p}}=K{\it dy}[/tex]

and then to this

(3) [tex]\int \!{p}^{-1}{dp}=\int \!K{dy}[/tex]

How do they get from (1) to (2) How is it that they can break up the notation for the derivative of p with respect to y and treat it like a fraction where dp is divided by dy?
Well, my guess would be that they actually completed Calculus I and so had learned about "differentials" as opposed to "derivatives"!
 
Dick,

Thanks very much.

Kenny
 

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