A charged wire exerts a force on a proton.

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The problem involves a charged wire exerting a force on a proton moving along the x-axis, with specific initial conditions for the proton's position and velocity. The force acting on the proton is given as Fx(x) = C / x, where C is a constant. The tasks include determining the potential energy function, calculating the proton's velocity at a certain position, and finding the time it takes to reach that position.

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  • Participants discuss the integration of the force to find the potential energy function and the implications of energy conservation in the context of kinetic and potential energy. There are questions about the interpretation of energy values and the resulting velocity calculations. One participant raises a specific challenge regarding the integration required for part C.

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Some participants are exploring the relationships between kinetic and potential energy, with one noting a sign error in their calculations. There is an ongoing inquiry into the methods for solving part C, indicating that while some guidance has been provided, the discussion remains open with multiple lines of reasoning being explored.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem's initial conditions and the specific forms of energy equations provided. There is a noted difficulty with integrating certain expressions, which may affect the progress of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


An electrically charged wire on the z axis exerts a force on a proton, which moves on the x axis. The initial conditions for the proton position and velocity are:
x(0) = x0 and v(0) = 0.

The force on the proton is Fx(x) = C /x where C = 3.2×10−15 Nm.

(A) Determine the potential energy function, U(x). Choose x0 to be the reference point; i.e., U(x0) = 0.
(B) Calculate the velocity v at the time when the proton passes the point x = 2 x0.
(C) Calculate the time t when the proton passes the point x = 2 x0. Assume x0 = 1 m.


Homework Equations


E= (1/2)m*v^2 + U(x)
U(x)= -∫F(x)dx
dx/dt= ±√[(2/m)(E-U(x))]


The Attempt at a Solution


In part A I integrated F(x) and got U(x)= -C*ln(x)
When I got to part B I tried to find the energy assuming that since U(x0)=0 then KE(v0)=max=E but KE(v0)=0 meaning that energy would have to be zero and the velocity is an imaginary number so I'm lost on what to do. If someone could just point me in the right direction I think I could figure it out from there.
 
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I'm not sure how you get that the velocity must be an imaginary number.

It's perfectly fine for the particle to start out with zero total energy. It just means that as the force does work on the particle, its kinetic energy increases, and its potential energy decreases by a corresponding amount. In other words, at any time after the start, the kinetic energy is positive, since it increases from 0, and the potential energy is negative, since it decreases from 0. This means that the kinetic and potential energies are always equal in magnitude, and of opposite sign (such that their sum is always zero).

To solve part b, find the change in potential energy between position x0 and position 2x0. The negative of this is the change in kinetic energy.
 
Thanks a lot man! I went back and realized when plugging in for U in dx/dt= ±√[(2/m)(E-U(x))] I kept forgetting to account for the fact that U is negative at x0. Stupid sign mistake!
 
Do you have any ideas on how to solve part C? I'm trying to solve it by integration but I don't know how to integrate 1/√lnx, I've checked wolframalpha and that only showed how to integrate it unsing an imaginary error function. Is there some other method that I could use?
 

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