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The original poster presents two questions related to photon interactions with electrons in atomic and photoelectric contexts. The first question involves the energy levels of an electron in an atom and the behavior of a photon with energy between two specific levels. The second question addresses the scenario where a photon lacks sufficient energy to liberate a photoelectron from a surface.

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  • Some participants discuss the dependence of photon behavior on material properties and question the role of phonons. Others suggest that photons could be reflected or absorbed, prompting further inquiry into the specifics of these interactions. There is also a consideration of whether an electron could absorb a photon and reemit it without liberation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have offered insights into the nature of photon interactions, while others express curiosity about the original poster's questions. There is no explicit consensus on the answers, but productive dialogue is occurring.

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Participants note the relevance of these questions to exam preparation and the importance of understanding energy levels and photon interactions in physics. There is mention of the work function in relation to the photoelectric effect, which may influence the discussion.

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While studying for my final exam in physics I have come across some problems that I need resolved.

1) Suppose a the energy required to bring an electron in the ground state of an atom to the second energy level is X J and the energy to bring it to the third is Y J. What happens to a photon that is incident upon this election with ana energy between X and Y?

2) Similar to the last question...What happens to a photon that does not have enough energy to liberate a photoelectron from a photoelectric surface?
 
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-1- I think it depends on the material, but I'm not sure. What have you learned about phonons?

-2- Seems like it could be reflected or absorbed. Is there more information?
 
2 very interesting questions. Pretty relevant to what I would be tested on also. If you do get the answers do post it here if you don't mind! Thanks!
 
al_201314 said:
2 very interesting questions. Pretty relevant to what I would be tested on also. If you do get the answers do post it here if you don't mind! Thanks!

After talking to a few classmates, it appears that if a photon does not have an energy greater than the work function of a metal it is reflected away. I don't agree with this. Couldnt an electron absorb the photon, move to a potential within the metal lower than 0 J, but fall back down to the work function and reemmit the photon?

I am still curious about the first question. I don't think its answer depends on the atoms.
 
Atomos said:
While studying for my final exam in physics I have come across some problems that I need resolved.

1) Suppose a the energy required to bring an electron in the ground state of an atom to the second energy level is X J and the energy to bring it to the third is Y J. What happens to a photon that is incident upon this election with ana energy between X and Y?
The photon would simply be unabsorbed. It would go through unaffected (actually, it would interact a bit with the entire atom as a whole, giving it a bit of overall momentum but this is a very small effect for visible or near visible radiation, it's only at very large energies/very small wavelengths that this becomes an important factor as in the Compton effect)
 
Atomos said:
After talking to a few classmates, it appears that if a photon does not have an energy greater than the work function of a metal it is reflected away. I don't agree with this. Couldnt an electron absorb the photon, move to a potential within the metal lower than 0 J, but fall back down to the work function and reemmit the photon?

That's what "reflected" means.
 
StatusX said:
That's what "reflected" means.
:smile: sorry

Thanks for the help nrqed and StatusX.
 
nrqed said:
The photon would simply be unabsorbed. It would go through unaffected (actually, it would interact a bit with the entire atom as a whole, giving it a bit of overall momentum but this is a very small effect for visible or near visible radiation, it's only at very large energies/very small wavelengths that this becomes an important factor as in the Compton effect)

Is it to say that then the reflected photon has less energy because of this?
 
Atomos said:
While studying for my final exam in physics I have come across some problems that I need resolved.

1) Suppose a the energy required to bring an electron in the ground state of an atom to the second energy level is X J and the energy to bring it to the third is Y J. What happens to a photon that is incident upon this election with ana energy between X and Y?

2) Similar to the last question...What happens to a photon that does not have enough energy to liberate a photoelectron from a photoelectric surface?

1) Take note that in order to excite an electron to a higher energy state, there's only one number required, that is the excitation energy and nothing else. For your question, the photon will excite to 1st energy level and the remaining energy becomes its KE. It does not reach 2nd energy level.

2) By energy conservation, one photon liberates one electron. If there is insufficient energy, the photon simply bounces off the electron. No liberation of electron takes place.
 

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