A difficult series expansion (finding a limit)

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The problem involves finding the limit \(\lim_{x \to 0}\frac{\ln(1+x^2)}{1-\cos(x)}\) using series representations. The context is centered around series expansions and Taylor polynomials.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using L'Hospital's rule and series expansions to evaluate the limit. There are concerns about indeterminate forms arising from derivatives and the complexity of differentiating the quotient. Some suggest writing the Taylor expansions for the numerator and denominator separately to simplify the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods to approach the limit. Some have provided partial expansions and suggested factoring techniques, while others express uncertainty about the series notation and its implications.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of indeterminate forms when evaluating derivatives at \(x = 0\), and participants are navigating the complexities of series expansions and their convergence in this context.

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Homework Statement



Find \lim_{x \to 0}\frac{ln(1+x^2)}{1-cos(x)} by using series representations. Check using L'Hospitals rule.

Homework Equations



Taylor polynomial at x=0: \sum_{k=0}^{\infty}\frac{f^{k}(0)}{k!}(x)^{k} = f(0) + f'(0)(x) + f''(0)x^{2} +...

The Attempt at a Solution



Using L'Hospital's rule gives me a limit of 2. Wolfram Alpha gives the following series expansion for the quotient: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=series+(ln(1+x^2))/(1-cosx), which obviously evaluates to 2 when x \to 0

What I don't get is how the program calculates the series. Differentiating the quotient given in the problem statement (to find out values of the derivatives to plug into the Taylor-formula) gives very complicated results that either equal zero or are indeterminate when x = 0.

For example, \frac{d}{dx} \frac{ln(1+x^2)}{1-cos(x)} = \frac{2x(1+x^{2})^{-1}}{1-cos(x)} - \frac{ln(1+x^{2})sin(x)}{(1-cos(x))^{2}} where both terms are indeterminate when x = 0. The same thing happens with the second derivative: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=second+derivative+(ln(1+x^2))/(1-cosx)

So there are indeterminates where things would otherwise seem to evaluate to something that resembles 2, and zeroes everywhere else. It also doesn't help that f(0), the first term in the series, is again indeterminate.

I really have no idea how to approach this problem beyond what I've already tried (which in addition to this approach included plugging in the series for ln(1+x2) and 1-cos(x) in their respective places in the fraction). Could someone point me in the right direction?
 
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TheSodesa said:
What I don't get is how the program calculates the series. Differentiating the quotient given in the problem statement (to find out values of the derivatives to plug into the Taylor-formula) gives very complicated results that either equal zero or are indeterminate when x = 0.

For example, \frac{d}{dx} \frac{ln(1+x^2)}{1-cos(x)} = \frac{2x(1+x^{2})^{-1}}{1-cos(x)} - \frac{ln(1+x^{2})sin(x)}{(1-cos(x))^{2}} where both terms are indeterminate when x = 0. The same thing happens with the second derivative: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=second+derivative+(ln(1+x^2))/(1-cosx)
You don't need to evaluate the series of the whole quotient. First write down each of the Taylor expansion of the numerator and denominator separately.
 
blue_leaf77 said:
You don't need to evaluate the series of the whole quotient. First write down each of the Taylor expansion of the numerator and denominator separately.
I tried doing that as well, but a similar issue arises:

If

around x = 1: ln(1+x^{2}) = \sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^{k+1}(k-1)!\cdot x^{2k}}{k!}<br /> <br /> = -\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^{k}(k-1)!\cdot x^{2k}}{k!}<br /> <br /> =-\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^{k}\cdot x^{2k}}{k}

and

around x = 0: cos(x) = \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^{k}x^{2k}}{(2k)!}

then

<br /> \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{ln(1+x^{2})}{1-cos(x)}<br /> <br /> = \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{ \sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^{k+1}x^{2k}}{k}}{1 - \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^{k}x^{2k}}{(2k)!}}<br /> <br /> = \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{ -\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^{k}x^{2k}}{k}}{1 - \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^{k}x^{2k}}{(2k)!}}<br /> <br /> = \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{ -\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^{k}x^{2k}}{k}}{1 - ( 1 + \sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^{k}x^{2k}}{(2k)!})}<br /> <br />
where the numerator and denominator still both evaluate to zero (since I can't just cancel the xs because of the series notation). Therefore I'm still stuck with an indeterminate form.
 
It may be more transparent if I write the expansions explicitly for first few terms
$$
\frac{\ln(1+x^{2})}{1-\cos(x)} = \frac{ x^2-\frac{x^4}{2}+\frac{x^6}{3}-\cdots }{ \frac{x^2}{2!}-\frac{x^4}{4!}+\frac{x^6}{6!}\cdots}
$$
Now what happens if you factor out ##x^2## from the numerator and denominator?
 
blue_leaf77 said:
It may be more transparent if I write the expansions explicitly for first few terms
$$
\frac{\ln(1+x^{2})}{1-\cos(x)} = \frac{ x^2-\frac{x^4}{2}+\frac{x^6}{3}-\cdots }{ \frac{x^2}{2!}-\frac{x^4}{4!}+\frac{x^6}{6!}\cdots}
$$
Now what happens if you factor out ##x^2## from the numerator and denominator?

Well, gee-whiz.

If you factor out x2 and take the limit as x \to 0, we are left with \frac{1}{\frac{1}{2!}} = \frac{2!}{1} = 2.

Thanks a bunch. I'm not used to working with series notation and have been simply thrown in the middle of it all. I should probably start writing the first few terms of a series whenever I'm faced with a problem like this.
 

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