A) Doing research "Off the books"? b) Returning Researcher?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of conducting research without formal registration or compensation, particularly in the context of undergraduate and graduate research experiences. Participants explore the value of unpaid research positions, the perception of such roles by academic programs, and the potential impact on letters of recommendation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the value of doing research without registration depends on the individual's circumstances and what they hope to gain from the experience.
  • There is a concern that volunteering for research may not be perceived as valuable by others, particularly if it involves minimal engagement, such as only a few days a month.
  • One participant questions how graduate programs assess research experience without formal documentation, emphasizing the importance of letters of recommendation (LoRs).
  • Another participant agrees that securing a positive LoR from a professor can be beneficial, even if the research is not officially recorded.
  • Concerns are raised about the legality and practicality of unpaid research, including minimum wage laws and the need for supervision during volunteer work.
  • Some participants argue that unpaid research can provide more freedom to explore and learn compared to paid positions, which may come with pressure to produce results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the value and implications of conducting unpaid research. While some see potential benefits in terms of learning and recommendations, others highlight significant concerns regarding the effectiveness and perception of such roles.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of specific contributions to avoid negative evaluations in letters of recommendation. There is also an acknowledgment of the varying definitions of "real" research and how it may be perceived differently based on compensation.

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A. Would it be suboptimal to do research with a professor without being registered for "research" or "independent studies"?
B. Furthermore, would it look bad if I took a "returning researcher" position such that I was asked to come back after my summer internship on weekends (twice a month) to do research (mainly data analysis) and calibrate machines as a volunteer in HEP?
 
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Whether it is suboptimal or not depends on what other choices you have. And whether you can in fact get something useful out of it.

How it will look is pretty much invisible. Essentially you are volunteering to hang around the lab 4 days a month. This isn't really much more than a tour. There is a clear reason nobody wants to pay you for this. It isn't very valuable. In fact, the usual situation of a technician doing the job and also having to hand-hold you would probably mean it is a net negative to the lab.

The only reasons to do unpaid work is if you think it will get you recognition of some kind, or teach you something you could not learn as easily in some other way. Do you think either of these applies?
 
You are an undergrad, right? If so, I think most undergrads do research without "registering" for it.
 
How do grad programs vet you in this regard? That is, without knowing whether you conducted real research? Is it all about getting a LOR?
 
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Is it all about getting a LOR?

Bingo.
 
If it puts you in a situation where a professor can say positive things about your ability to do research in a LoR, then I'd say it's a good idea. Even if there's no official record of it, your professor can always mention it in his letter.
 
Do you actually have an arrangement with the professor to do this? I see a lot of problems - there is the issue of minimum wage laws which the university will enforce. There is the fact that, as mentioned, 4 days a month is more a tourist than anything else. There is the need to have someone come in on a weekend - not to do their own work, but to supervise you.

One other thing to be aware of.is that given your track record so far, a mediocre letter of recommendation will be very bad. "He came in on a couple of weekends and puttered around the lab" will not help you at all. You will need to do something specific and identifiable.
 
Lagraaaange said:
How do grad programs vet you in this regard? That is, without knowing whether you conducted real research? Is it all about getting a LOR?

Doing "real" research is independent of whether or not you get paid. In fact, I've accomplished much more in the 4 years I've done undergrad research (unpaid) than in the summers when I did it for pay, just because you are more free to explore different options without the pressure to have something to show for what you've done.
 

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