A doubt on the fundamental unit of charge

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the fundamental unit of electric charge, specifically the implications of quarks having fractional charges (e/3) and whether this suggests the existence of charges smaller than the elementary charge (e). Participants explore the quantization of charge in relation to both elementary particles and composite particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that all observed charges are integral multiples of e, and thus no charge smaller than e has been found.
  • Others question whether the existence of quarks with charges of e/3 implies that charges smaller than e exist, suggesting that quarks do not exist in isolation and always combine to yield integral multiples of e.
  • A participant notes that the author of a referenced book may misunderstand the implications of quark charges, emphasizing that while quarks have fractional charges, they still contribute to a quantized overall charge in composite particles.
  • It is mentioned that all elementary particles have electric charges that are multiples of e/3, but only composite particles can exist freely with charges that are multiples of e.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of quark charges, with some arguing that fractional charges do not contradict the quantization of charge, while others maintain that all observable charges remain integral multiples of e. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these points.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of quarks and their combinations, as well as the implications of fractional charges on the overall understanding of charge quantization.

Rishabh Narula
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"a charge smaller than e has not been found.
if one determines the amount of charge on any charged body like a
charged sphere or charged drop) or any charged particle
(like positron, a-particle)
or any ion, then its charge is always found to be an integral multiple of e,
i.e., e,3e; 4e,...
No Charge will be fractional multiple of e like 0.7e or 2.5e."

the book(notes actually) also gave this side note-
"The existence of charged particles called,quarks
whose electric charges come in multiples of e/3,
would not alter the fact that charge is quantized-
it would merely reduce the size of the basic
unit from e to e/3"

my question is wouldn't that still imply then
that a charge smaller than e does exist since
charge of quarks comes in multiples of e/3.
it would make sense if you add something more
like an isolated quark doesn't exist
like they always come in triplets
or of that sort such that the sum of charges
always adds up to e anyways.am i getting
it right.do correct if wrong.
 
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Rishabh Narula said:
"a charge smaller than e has not been found.
if one determines the amount of charge on any charged body like a
charged sphere or charged drop) or any charged particle
(like positron, a-particle)
or any ion, then its charge is always found to be an integral multiple of e,
i.e., e,3e; 4e,...
No Charge will be fractional multiple of e like 0.7e or 2.5e."

the book(notes actually) also gave this side note-
"The existence of charged particles called,quarks
whose electric charges come in multiples of e/3,
would not alter the fact that charge is quantized-
it would merely reduce the size of the basic
unit from e to e/3"

my question is wouldn't that still imply then that a charge smaller than e does exist since
charge of quarks comes in multiples of e/3.
it would make sense if you add something more like an isolated quark doesn't exist
like they always come in triplets or of that sort such that the sum of charges
always adds up to e anyways.am i getting it right.do correct if wrong.
I'm not sure which book it is. From what you stated, it appears the author of the book does not know what the charge on a quark is, but is stating that if quarks have a fractional charge, they will still be quantized.
Like you couldn't split a proton and get 1 over sqrt(2) as one of the "pieces".

For "regular" particles, we have only encountered integer multiples of e.
 
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All elementary particles have an electric charge that is a multiple of e/3.
All particles (elementary or composite) that can exist freely have an electric charge that is a multiple of e, as quarks always come in combinations that add up to a multiple of e.
 
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Proton have 2 up quarks (charges at 2/3e) and one down quark (charge at -1/3e). Neutrons have one up and two down quarks. Mesons have various combinations, such as a quark plus anti-quark of the same kind.
 
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