A falling object of decreasing mass.

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The problem involves a snowball dropped from a building, where its mass decreases due to evaporation at a rate proportional to its speed. The task is to derive a differential equation governing the vertical distance of the snowball as it falls, considering only gravitational forces and the changing mass.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to apply Newton's second law to derive the governing equation but expresses uncertainty about simplifying the resulting expression. Some participants suggest replacing the absolute value in the mass rate equation and integrating to find the mass function.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of mass and velocity, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

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There is a mention of neglecting friction and energy considerations, which raises questions about the assumptions being made regarding the mass of the snowball and its impact on the problem.

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The problem is:

A snowball is dropped from the top of a building, evaporation causes the mass m of the snowball to decrease at a rate proportional to the snowball's speed as the snowball falls, so that

M' = k * abs(y')
where y denotes the vertical distance from the ground and k is a negative constant.

Derive the differential equation governing y(t), neglecting all physical phenomena except the pull of Earth's gravity on the snowball and the variation in the snowball's mass

This is what I have been able to work out:
Position = 0i + y(t)j
v = d/dt(position) = y'(t)
Using Newtons Second law​

Net force = (d/dt)[(mass)(velocity)]
-m(t)g = (d/dt)(m(t)y'(t))
-m(t)g = m'(t)y'(t)+m(t)y''(t)

And I'm not able to simplify this expression so I must be missing something in the setup...Any help would be great.
 
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Since the velocity is never positive, we can replace the absolute value sign with a negative sign

[tex]m^\prime\left(t\right) = -ky^\prime\left(t\right)[/tex]

You can simply substitute this directly into the first term on the RHS. However, for the remaining two terms we need to determine m(t). This can be done by integrating both sides of the above expression with respect to t.
 
Try LaTex, it makes things easier to read :P

On a sidenote: If you don't account for friction the mass does not matter at all. Just neglect the loss (unless you care about energy).
 
ManDay said:
On a sidenote: If you don't account for friction the mass does not matter at all. Just neglect the loss (unless you care about energy).
I'm afraid that you're wrong there. If the mass were constant, then yes you could safely ignore the mass of the snowball. However, since the mass is not constant you need to take this into account.
 
--edit: I am oviously wrong, sorry for the bs
 

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