A flat ring is uniformly charged

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The problem involves a flat ring with an inner radius of R_0 and an outer radius of 4R_0 that is uniformly charged. Participants are tasked with determining the electric field along the axis of the ring at specific distances from its center, utilizing concepts from Gauss's Law and Coulomb's Law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • One participant expresses confidence in applying Coulomb's law for the outer point but struggles with the inner point, questioning the implications of the hint provided. Another participant suggests using symmetry to support the initial guess about the electric field being zero inside the conductor. There is also mention of a PDF containing a solution that treats the charge distribution as two superposed disks, prompting confusion about the rationale behind this approach.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and the reasoning behind the use of superposed disks. Some guidance has been offered regarding symmetry and the treatment of the charge distribution, but there is no consensus on the understanding of the hint or the approach to part a.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of the hint provided in the problem statement and the assumptions regarding the electric field inside the charged ring. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the application of previous knowledge to this specific scenario.

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Homework Statement



A flat ring (inner radius R_0, outer radius 4R_0) is uniformly charged. In terms of the total charge Q, determine the electric field on the axis at points

a) 0.25R_0
b) 75R_0

from the center of the ring. [Hint: The ring can be replaced with two oppositely charged superposed disks.]

Homework Equations



Gauss's Law
Coulomb's Law

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm okay with part b. The ring will be like a point charge, so using Coulomb's law would lead to the correct result.
But I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to imagine for part a. I guessed that it would be zero eventually because there cannot be electrical field inside a conductor, but didn't do anything like hint says I should.
 
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hitemup said:
But I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to imagine for part a. I guessed that it would be zero eventually because there cannot be electrical field inside a conductor, but didn't do anything like hint says I should.
You should be able to make an argument from symmetry to back up your guess.
 
I also have a PDF in which a solution exists to this problem.

"We treat the source charge as a disk of positive charge of radius concentric with a disk of negative charge of radius R_0 . In order for the net charge of the inner space to be 0, the charge per unit area of the source disks must both have the same magnitude but opposite sign. The field due to the annulus is then the sum of the fields due to both the positive and negative rings."

But again, I can't understand why we are doing this.
 
hitemup said:
I also have a PDF in which a solution exists to this problem.

"We treat the source charge as a disk of positive charge of radius concentric with a disk of negative charge of radius R_0 . In order for the net charge of the inner space to be 0, the charge per unit area of the source disks must both have the same magnitude but opposite sign. The field due to the annulus is then the sum of the fields due to both the positive and negative rings."

But again, I can't understand why we are doing this.
Presumably because the solution for the field due to a charged disk has been presented previously and you can use that result (cleverly) to solve this problem.
 

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