A function 'continous' at a 'point'.

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A function f(x) is continuous at a point x=c if, for any positive ε, there exists a positive δ such that |f(c+h) - f(c)| < ε for all |h| < δ. The discussion highlights confusion around the roles of ε and δ, emphasizing that ε is fixed while δ can be chosen based on ε. The continuity definition implies that as h approaches zero, f(x+h) approaches f(c), ensuring the function remains close to its value at c. Participants express frustration with the terminology and seek clarification on the definitions of the variables involved. Ultimately, understanding continuity requires grasping the relationship between ε, δ, and the behavior of the function near the point of interest.
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aaaa...but still there is a major doubt left.

What do you mean by a 'point'...for a function to be continuous at a 'point', the value of ε should be assumed infinitely small and the corresponding value of δ should also be infinitely small...THEN we can call the function continuous at a 'point'...and that point will be f(x)...or the value of f at x.
 
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dE_logics said:
aaaa...but still there is a major doubt left.

What do you mean by a 'point'...for a function to be continuous at a 'point', the value of ε should be assumed infinitely small and the corresponding value of δ should also be infinitely small...THEN we can call the function continuous at a 'point'...and that point will be f(x)...or the value of f at x.

if a function is continuous at a point, then there will exist some kind of neighbourhood around that point such that f(a+h) as h approaches 0 is f(a).

-------xxxxxxx--f(a)--f(a+h)--xxxxxx------xxxxx -------

imagine this line as a discontinuous function (the x's are spaces, spaces don't work here), the dashes can be infinitesimally small distances, but the function is continuous at a because there is a neighbourhood around it where you can pick f(a+h) and have the limit of that as h goes to zero as f(a) ----- xxxxx-- xxx-------xxxxxxxf(a)xxxxxxx---- xxxxx--------- -----xxxxx ------


if f(a) is defined like this, then there is no neighbourhood around f(a) such that f(a+h) as h approaches 0 is f(a)----- --- ------- xxxxxxf(a)xxxxxxxx----f(a+h)-xxxxxxxx------------ ------ ------
----- --- ------- xxxxxxxx f(a)xxxxxxxx--f(a+h closer..)---xxxxxxxx ------------ ------ ------ ----- --- -------xxxxxxxxxx f(a)xxxxxxxxxx-f(a+h cannot go any closer)---- ------------ ------ ------
 
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dE_logics said:
aaaa...but still there is a major doubt left.

What do you mean by a 'point'...for a function to be continuous at a 'point', the value of ε should be assumed infinitely small and the corresponding value of δ should also be infinitely small...THEN we can call the function continuous at a 'point'...and that point will be f(x)...or the value of f at x.
There is no such thing as "infinitely small" real numbers. You can do calculus in terms of "infinitesmals" but that requires extending the real numbers to a new number system and that is very deep mathematics. Certainly nothing you have said so far implies that you are familiar with infinitesmals and I recommend avoiding them in favor of the "limit" concept we have been using so far.

Saying that a function is "continuous at a point", say "f(x) is continuous at x= a", is exactly what we have been talking about here. "f(x) is continuous at x= a" if and only if
1) f(a) exists.
2) \lim_{x\to a}f(x) exists.
3) \lim_{x\to a} f(x)= f(a).

More fundamentally, including the definition of "limit" in that definition
"Given any \epsilon&gt; 0, there exist \delta&gt; 0 such that if |x- a|&lt; \delta then |f(x)- f(a)|&lt; \epsilon".

The usual definition of "continuous" is "continuous at a point". We then extend the concept by saying that f(x) is "continous on a set" if and only if it is continuous at every point of that set.

Saying that a function is continuous "at a point" does not restrict the possible values of \delta and \epsilon in any way.
 

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