A Homogeneous Linear System w/ Constant Coefficients

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The discussion revolves around a homogeneous linear system with constant coefficients, specifically in the form x' = Ax, where A is a 2x2 matrix of constants. Participants are analyzing the behavior of the solution as time t approaches infinity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the form of the solution and its behavior as t approaches infinity, questioning the direction of approach to the origin and the implications of different constants in the solution. There are also inquiries about the Wronskian and linear independence of vectors in a related problem.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the solutions presented, with some participants providing insights into the behavior of the system. Questions regarding the interpretation of results and the significance of certain mathematical concepts are being raised, indicating a productive dialogue.

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Participants are navigating through specific examples and theorems related to homogeneous differential equations, with some expressing confusion about certain aspects, such as the role of the Wronskian and linear independence.

Jamin2112
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I'll make this post short.

The problem just asks me to something in the form x'=Ax (A is a 2x2 of constants) and then describe the behavior of the solution as t approaches infinity.

My solution is x=C1e-2t(2/3 1)T + C2e-t(1 1)T.

Since both vectors are multiplied by 1/et, my solution just goes to (0 0)T as t->∞, right?
 
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Hi Jamin2112! :smile:
Jamin2112 said:
My solution is x=C1e-2t(2/3 1)T + C2e-t(1 1)T.

Since both vectors are multiplied by 1/et, my solution just goes to (0 0)T as t->∞, right?

Yes …

but from which direction? :wink:

(and if your solution is for x, not xT, why is it a transpose? :confused:)
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Jamin2112! :smile:


Yes …

but from which direction? :wink:

(and if your solution is for x, not xT, why is it a transpose? :confused:)


Should indeed be xT

From the sketch I drew, it approaches the origin along y=x in quadrant 1 and goes away from the origin along y=x in quadrant 3. Correct?
 
Yes, it approaches the origin along y=x. :smile:

But what do you mean by "goes away from the origin" …

isn't there only one way of getting to t = ∞ ? :confused:
(and what if C2 = 0 ? :wink:)
 
tiny-tim said:
Yes, it approaches the origin along y=x. :smile:

But what do you mean by "goes away from the origin" …

isn't there only one way of getting to t = ∞ ? :confused:
(and what if C2 = 0 ? :wink:)

The equation was x'=[1 -2; 3 -4]x (wrote the matrix MATLAB-style)

So at x=(1 1)T, x'=(-1 -1)T, and so on ...

And at x=(-1 -1)T, x'=(1 1)T, and so on ...

See what I mean?
 
In general, I'm confused about these questions about what x(t) approaches as t approaches infinity.

For a different problem on my homework, I got a solution x= 2e3t(1 5)T -e-t(1 1)T. Obviously, the first part, 2e3t(1 5)T, will dominate as t --> ∞. Does that mean the x approaches (∞ 5∞)T?
 
Jamin2112 said:
In general, I'm confused about these questions about what x(t) approaches as t approaches infinity.

For a different problem on my homework, I got a solution x= 2e3t(1 5)T -e-t(1 1)T. Obviously, the first part, 2e3t(1 5)T, will dominate as t --> ∞. Does that mean the x approaches (∞ 5∞)T?

What happens as t approaches ∞ is the same for matrices as it is for ordinary numbers …

so yes in your example, 2e3t(1 5)T, will dominate, and that approaches infinity along the (1 5)T direction. :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
What happens as t approaches ∞ is the same for matrices as it is for ordinary numbers …

so yes in your example, 2e3t(1 5)T, will dominate, and that approaches infinity along the (1 5)T direction. :smile:

I see. Can I ask one more question?
 
uhhh? :redface: depends what it is! :biggrin:
 
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tiny-tim said:
uhhh? :redface: depends what it is! :biggrin:

Consider the vectors x(1)(t)=(t 1)T and x(2)(t)=(t2 2t)T.

(a) Compute the Wronskian x(1) and x(2).
(b) In what intervals are x(1) and x(2) linearly independent?
(c) What conclusion can be drawn about the coefficients in the system of homogeneous differential equations satisfied by x(1) and x(2)?
(d) Find this system of equations and verify the conclusions of part (c).

------------------------*snip*----------------------

Wronskian ≠ 0 <==> system has a solution

W|(t 1)T, (t2 2t)T|= t2, which only equals zero when t=0.

Making x(1), x(2) into a system of homogenous differential equations would look like

C1(t 1)T + C2(t2 2t)T=(0 0)T.

I don't understand what the point of (c) is. Where are they going with this? Please explain in as much or as little detail as possible parts (c) and (d). I'm ready to learn.
 
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Hi Jamin2112! :smile:

(just got up :zzz: …)

Sorry, Wronskians are not my field :redface:

you'd better start another thread on this one. :smile:
 

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