A matrix with Repeated eigenvalues and its corresponding eigenvectors.

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The discussion revolves around finding the diagonal matrix of eigenvalues and the corresponding eigenvectors for a given 3x3 matrix. The matrix in question has repeated eigenvalues, which complicates the identification of its eigenvectors.

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  • The original poster attempts to find eigenvalues and eigenvectors but expresses confusion regarding the multiplicity of the eigenvalue λ = 1 and the corresponding eigenvectors. Participants discuss the implications of the eigenvalue equations and the forms of the eigenvectors.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering clarifications on the definitions and properties of eigenvalues and eigenvectors. There is a recognition of mistakes in the calculations, and alternative approaches are being explored. The discussion remains open with no explicit consensus reached.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the setup of the eigenvalue equations and the interpretation of results, particularly concerning the multiplicity of eigenvalues and the forms of the corresponding eigenvectors. Participants also note the constraints imposed by the requirement that eigenvectors must be linearly independent.

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Homework Statement



I am asked to find the diagonal matrix of eigenvalues, D, and the matrix of corresponding eigenvectors, P, of the following matrix:
[tex] \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1 & 0 & 0\\<br /> 0 & 1 & -2\\<br /> 0 & 0 & -1<br /> \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

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We just started this topic, and so far i haven't had much trouble answering questions like these, but this question is different.

I found the eigenvalues to be λ = 1 (with algebraic multiplicity 2) and λ = -1

for λ = 1 the matrix is [tex] \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 0 & 0 & 0\\<br /> 0 & 0 & 0\\<br /> 0 & 0 & -2<br /> \end{pmatrix}[/tex] after putting in row echelon form. This is where my confusion begins, solving gives z=0, and since x nor y are described, they can take any value I please (to my understanding). so for the first eigenvector i let x=1 and y=0, then i let x=0,y=1 to give [tex] \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 1\\<br /> 0\\<br /> 0 <br /> \end{bmatrix}[/tex] and [tex] \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0\\<br /> 1\\<br /> 0 <br /> \end{bmatrix}[/tex] respectively.
For λ = -1 the matrix is [tex] \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 2 & 0 & 0\\<br /> 0 & 2 & -2\\<br /> 0 & 0 & 1<br /> \end{pmatrix}[/tex] which gives x=y=z=0 which confuses me even more as this is [tex] \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0\\<br /> 0\\<br /> 0 <br /> \end{bmatrix}[/tex]

So after all that I said D = [tex] \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1 & 0 & 0\\<br /> 0 & 1 & 0\\<br /> 0 & 0 & -1<br /> \end{pmatrix}[/tex] which I am fairly sure is correct
and P = [tex] \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1 & 0 & 0\\<br /> 0 & 1 & 0\\<br /> 0 & 0 & 0<br /> \end{pmatrix}[/tex] which I am fairly sure isn't (Mathematica told me at least one of the parts was wrong and i think its this one).

Could someone please help me understand this example, and forgive me for the bad formatting, I am not sure how to keep everything in the same line.
 
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Dont worry i think i found my mistake. I got the matrix for λ=-1 wrong and hence confused the shiz out of myself.
Just checking the correct matrix for λ= -1 would be [tex] \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0\\<br /> 1\\<br /> 1 <br /> \end{bmatrix}[/tex] right?
 
Yes, 1 is a "double" eigenvalue and -1 is an eigenvalue. I find it simplest to use the definition of "eigenvalue" to find the eigenvectors: [itex]\lambda[/itex] is an eigenvalue of linear transformation A if and only if there exist a non-zero vector, v, such that [itex]Av= \lambda v[/itex]. (Of course, then, [itex](A-\lambda)v= 0[/itex] which is what you used.)

For eigenvalue "1":
[tex]\begin{pmatrix}1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & -2 \\ 0 & 0 & -1\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}x \\ y \\ z\end{pmatrix}= \begin{pmatrix}x \\ y- 2z \\ -z\end{pmatrix}= \begin{pmatrix}x \\ y \\ z \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

so we have x= x, y- 2z= y, and -z= z. The last equation gives z= 0 and the first two equations, x= x and y= y, are always true. Any vector of the form (x, y, 0)= x(1, 0, 0)+ y(0, 1, 0) is an eigenvalue corresponding to eigenvalue 1. For eigenvalue "-1":
[tex]\begin{pmatrix}1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & -2 \\ 0 & 0 & -1\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}x \\ y \\ z\end{pmatrix}= \begin{pmatrix}x \\ y- 2z \\ -z\end{pmatrix}= \begin{pmatrix}-x \\ -y \\ -z \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

so that we must have x= -x, y- 2z= -z, and -z= -z. The first equation gives x= 0, the third is true for any z and the second gives y= z. Any eigenvector corresponding to eigenvalue -1 is of the form (0, z, z)= z(0, 1, 1).

It is easy to see that the matrix [tex]P= \begin{pmatrix}1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 1 \\ 0 & 0 & 1\end{pmatrix}[/tex]
has inverse [tex]P^{-1}= \begin{pmatrix}1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & -1 \\ 0 & 0 & 1\end{pmatrix}[/tex]and that
[tex]P^{-1}AP= \begin{pmatrix}1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & -1 \\ 0 & 0 & 1\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & -2 \\ 0 & 0 & -1\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 1 \\ 0 & 0 & 1\end{pmatrix}= \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & -1\end{pmatrix}[/tex]
 
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HallsofIvy said:
It is easy to see that the matrix [tex]P= \begin{pmatrix}1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 1 \\ 0 & 0 & 1\end{pmatrix}[/tex]
has inverse [tex]P^{-1}= \begin{pmatrix}1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 1\end{pmatrix}[/tex]
You may want to reconsider the claim [itex]P^{-1} = I[/itex].
 
pasmith said:
You may want to reconsider the claim [itex]P^{-1} = I[/itex].
Thanks, I copied the wrong matrix from my work! I went back and edited my post to correct that.
 
Thank you for the alternate way of approaching these types of questions halls. When, for example, you say x=-x which leads to x=0 I assume this is because the only possible way for this to be true is if x=0 ?
 
pondzo said:
Thank you for the alternate way of approaching these types of questions halls. When, for example, you say x=-x which leads to x=0 I assume this is because the only possible way for this to be true is if x=0 ?
Isn't that what "x satisfies the equation" means?

More specifically, I observed that adding x to both sides of "x= -x" gives "2x= 0" and then, dividing both sides by 2, "x= 0".
 
Oh wow, please excuse that last comment. I have no Idea what I was thinking... lol.
 
One more thing, I noticed that mathematica allowed any matrix, P, of the form
##
\begin {pmatrix}
a & c & 0 \\
b & d & 1 \\
0 & 0 & 1
\end {pmatrix}
##
As long as (a, b,0) =/= h (c, d,0) where h is a scalar multiple. Is this because the eigenvectors for the eigenvalue of 1 could be of the form (a, b,0) and (c, d,0) as long as they are not scalar multiples of each other?
 
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I don't know what you mean by "Mathematica allowed". But, in general, 1 is NOT necessarily an eigenvalue for such a matrix.
 

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