A multiplication map as a matrix in Q(sqrt2)

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves the field Q(√2) viewed as a vector space of dimension 2 over Q. Participants are tasked with expressing a multiplication map as a matrix, exploring conditions for matrix representation, and discussing properties such as determinants and inverses.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss how to express the linear map M_{r+s√2} as a 2x2 matrix, considering the basis {1, √2}. There is uncertainty about the correct representation and whether the matrix should act on column or row vectors.
  • Questions arise regarding the conditions for a matrix A to equal M_{r+s√2}, with some participants suggesting relationships between matrix entries.
  • There is a discussion about the determinant, with participants attempting to reason why it is non-zero without explicit computation.
  • Participants express confusion about calculating the inverse matrix and how it relates to the form M_{t+u√2}.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts and reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding matrix representation and determinant properties, but no consensus has been reached on all aspects of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note their lack of familiarity with linear algebra concepts, which affects their confidence in addressing the problem. There is also mention of the implications of rationality in the context of the determinant and matrix invertibility.

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Homework Statement


Consider the field Q(\sqrt{2}), viewed as a vector space of dimension 2
over Q. Let r + s\sqrt{2} \in Q(\sqrt{2}), and defi ne the multiplication map
M_{r+s\sqrt{2}}: Q(\sqrt{2}) → Q(\sqrt{2}) by <br /> M_{r+s\sqrt{2}}(\alpha)= (r+s\sqrt{2})*\alpha
In other words, M_{r+s\sqrt{2}} is multiplication by r+s\sqrt{2}

There's a few parts, but my linear algebra is really rusty, so I can't even figure out the first step:

(i) In terms of the basis \{1, \sqrt{2}\} express the Q-linear map M_{r+s\sqrt{2}} as a 2x2 matrix with entries in Q.

(ii) If A is a 2x2 matrix with entries in Q, what is the condition that A=M_{r+s\sqrt{2}} with respect to the matrix?

(iii) What is the determinant? Argue without computation that it's not zero.

(iv) Calculate the inverse matrix and show that it is of the form M_{t+u\sqrt{2}}, t,u \in Q. Use this to give an explicit formula for (r+s\sqrt{2})^{-1}

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The Attempt at a Solution


I honestly have no idea how to express the linear map as a matrix, and the rest of the problem basically hinges on that concept. The only part I think I understand is that because the vector space has dimension =2, it's going to have 2 elements in it's basis? And thus a 2x2 matrix? But I'm not even exactly sure I have that right...

So just trying to figure out what this is talking about...
I guess α is some element of the form α= a+b√2, for some a and b in Q, right? So if I just multiply out the function...
M_{r+s\sqrt{2}}(\alpha)= (r+s\sqrt{2})*\alpha= (r+s\sqrt{2})*(a+b\sqrt{2})= (ar+2bs)+\sqrt{2}(as+br)
So the matrix should produce the same result if I do \alpha*A right? So... I suppose that means my matrix would be (r s,2s r)?
(sorry I don't remember how to format matrices)
 
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Gale said:

Homework Statement


Consider the field Q(\sqrt{2}), viewed as a vector space of dimension 2
over Q. Let r + s\sqrt{2} \in Q(\sqrt{2}), and define the multiplication map
M_{r+s\sqrt{2}}: Q(\sqrt{2}) → Q(\sqrt{2}) by <br /> M_{r+s\sqrt{2}}(\alpha)= (r+s\sqrt{2})*\alpha
In other words, M_{r+s\sqrt{2}} is multiplication by r+s\sqrt{2}

There's a few parts, but my linear algebra is really rusty, so I can't even figure out the first step:

(i) In terms of the basis \{1, \sqrt{2}\} express the Q-linear map M_{r+s\sqrt{2}} as a 2x2 matrix with entries in Q.

(ii) If A is a 2x2 matrix with entries in Q, what is the condition that A=M_{r+s\sqrt{2}} with respect to the matrix?

(iii) What is the determinant? Argue without computation that it's not zero.

(iv) Calculate the inverse matrix and show that it is of the form M_{t+u\sqrt{2}}, t,u \in Q. Use this to give an explicit formula for (r+s\sqrt{2})^{-1}

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The Attempt at a Solution


I honestly have no idea how to express the linear map as a matrix, and the rest of the problem basically hinges on that concept. The only part I think I understand is that because the vector space has dimension =2, it's going to have 2 elements in it's basis? And thus a 2x2 matrix? But I'm not even exactly sure I have that right...

So just trying to figure out what this is talking about...
I guess α is some element of the form α= a+b√2, for some a and b in Q, right? So if I just multiply out the function...
M_{r+s\sqrt{2}}(\alpha)= (r+s\sqrt{2})*\alpha= (r+s\sqrt{2})*(a+b\sqrt{2})= (ar+2bs)+\sqrt{2}(as+br)
So the matrix should produce the same result if I do \alpha*A right? So... I suppose that means my matrix would be (r s,2s r)?
(sorry I don't remember how to format matrices)

It depends a bit on whether you want to picture the vector representing ##\alpha## as a column vector and let A act on the right, so the result is ##A \alpha## or have ##\alpha## be a row vector and act on the left, so it's ##\alpha A##. You've got the right matrix for the last case. If it's the first case you just need to take the transpose.
 
Dick said:
It depends a bit on whether you want to picture the vector representing ##\alpha## as a column vector and let A act on the right, so the result is ##A \alpha## or have ##\alpha## be a row vector and act on the left, so it's ##\alpha A##. You've got the right matrix for the last case. If it's the first case you just need to take the transpose.

Ah thank goodness I figured something out! Would ##A \alpha## be the more proper way of writing it out then?

Since I have that, for the rest:
(ii) if A= \left( \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> a &amp; b \\<br /> c &amp; d \end{array} \right) Then based on my matrix from part (i), a=d and 2b=c would work? Or does a also have to be a multiple of r, and b a multiple of s?

(iii) I'm a little confused about this... I guess since the determinant would be r2-2s2 and r,s are rational by definition, r2-2s2=0 would imply r2=2s2 → √2 is rational if both s,r≠0. Which is equivalent to saying r+s√2=0. I'm not sure if what I did counts as calculation.

(iv) The inverse is found in the traditional way for a 2x2, but I'm not really sure how it gives me (r+s√2)-1
 
Gale said:
Ah thank goodness I figured something out! Would ##A \alpha## be the more proper way of writing it out then?

Since I have that, for the rest:
(ii) if A= \left( \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> a &amp; b \\<br /> c &amp; d \end{array} \right) Then based on my matrix from part (i), a=d and 2b=c would work? Or does a also have to be a multiple of r, and b a multiple of s?

(iii) I'm a little confused about this... I guess since the determinant would be r2-2s2 and r,s are rational by definition, r2-2s2=0 would imply r2=2s2 → √2 is rational if both s,r≠0. Which is equivalent to saying r+s√2=0. I'm not sure if what I did counts as calculation.

(iv) The inverse is found in the traditional way for a 2x2, but I'm not really sure how it gives me (r+s√2)-1

##A \alpha## is probably more common. In which case a matrix A= \left( \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> r &amp; 2s \\<br /> s &amp; r \end{array} \right) will do the job. For iii) you've got it. If r and s are rational then the only noninvertible matrix is zero because the square root of 2 is irrational. For (iv) if you find the inverse matrix style and then convert back to r and s you should get the same thing as the matrix of (r+s√2)^(-1), shouldn't you?
 

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