A nonempty set T1 is finite if and only if there is a bijection from T1->T2?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of finite sets in set theory, specifically addressing the condition under which a nonempty set T1 is considered finite based on the existence of a bijection to another finite set T2.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore definitions of finite sets and the implications of bijections between sets. There are attempts to clarify the meaning of having a certain number of elements in a set and how this relates to the finiteness of T1.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking to clarify definitions and explore the implications of bijections. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the sizes of T1 and T2, but no consensus has been reached on the overall approach to the problem.

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There is a mention of varying definitions of finite sets, and some participants express difficulty in understanding existing solutions found online. The original poster indicates a need for clearer explanations.

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Homework Statement



Prove that a nonempty set T1 is finite if and only if there is a bijection from T1 onto a finite set T2.


The Attempt at a Solution



There are at least two different solutions to this problem that I found online:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090319202703AACrlT8

http://www.cramster.com//answers-sep-10/advanced-math/bijection-finite-set-prove-nonempty-set-t1-finite_921466.aspx

Is there any other solution? For a dummy like me these solutions are hard enough to understand them completely. If you can help me get the idea, I will really appreciate it.
 
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Hi Phillyolly! :smile:

What is your definition of finite?
 
Hi Micromass! :-)

Definition of finite:

A set S is said to be finite if it has n elements for some n in N or is empty.
 
Well...

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Assume there exists a bijection from T1 to T2. Since there exists a bijection from T1 to T2, this means that |T1| = |T2|. Since T2 is finite...

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T1 is finite. Define T2 to be T1, so...
 
Well, first you'll need to know what it means that "a set has n elements"...
 

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