A normal distribution problem, AS level, on tyres Need help in the last part.

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem involving normal distribution related to tyre pressure safety limits. The original poster is trying to determine the value of 'b' such that 80% of tyres fall within the specified pressure range of 1.9 ± b bars.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to standardize the problem using Z-scores and calculates probabilities based on their understanding of the normal distribution. Some participants suggest considering the area outside the central 80% and using the invNorm function for calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding how to handle the probabilities associated with the normal distribution. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct use of Z-scores and the need to account for the tails of the distribution.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of differing methods and potential confusion regarding the approach to calculating the Z-values and the corresponding probabilities. The original poster's calculations do not align with the provided answer sheet, leading to further inquiry into the correct methodology.

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Homework Statement


http://www.xtremepapers.com/CIE/International%20A%20And%20AS%20Level/9709%20-%20Mathematics/9709_s05_qp_6.pdf

question no. 6 part ii (Safety regulations state that the pressures must be between 1.9 − b bars and 1.9 + b bars. It is
known that 80% of tyres are within these safety limits. Find the safety limits)

My answer is not matching anywhere near the right answer (http://www.xtremepapers.com/CIE/International%20A%20And%20AS%20Level/9709%20-%20Mathematics/9709_s05_ms_6.pdf)




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The Attempt at a Solution



I used .8 as my probability for which the Z value is .842
Then I standardised my X values to Z, so i got P( -b/0.15< Z < b/.15) =0.8

Computing that i got .06315 as my b value.


Where is the answer sheet getting ± 1.282 from?
 
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Your probability is 0.80, but remember, this is the area in the middle, not from one end of the normal distribution curve.

Hint: Your 80% is centered around 1.9, so what are the probabilities of each end that is NOT within the safety limits. After that, all you need is the invNorm function on your calculator.

EDIT: Woah, on second thought, I'm not sure what method you and the answer sheet use. Maybe my way isn't the way you were taught. However, I know for sure it works.
 
tal444 said:
Your probability is 0.80, but remember, this is the area in the middle, not from one end of the normal distribution curve.

Hint: Your 80% is centered around 1.9, so what are the probabilities of each end that is NOT within the safety limits. After that, all you need is the invNorm function on your calculator.

EDIT: Woah, on second thought, I'm not sure what method you and the answer sheet use. Maybe my way isn't the way you were taught. However, I know for sure it works.

Yeah I don't know the method with the "invNorm function".
Regarding the hint "Your 80% is centered around 1.9", yes i have taken that into account. Since the rane as i stated was -b/0.15< Z < b/.15. I first formed an equation for the probability where Z< b/0.15. Then I formed a probability of Z< -b/0.15. Now I deduct the 2 probabilities(their equations actually) to get the actual probability, the resultant equation in b(which like you said is centered) Now this resultant equation is 0.8. So I solve for b. But apparently it is wrong.
 
mutineer123 said:

Homework Statement


http://www.xtremepapers.com/CIE/International%20A%20And%20AS%20Level/9709%20-%20Mathematics/9709_s05_qp_6.pdf

question no. 6 part ii (Safety regulations state that the pressures must be between 1.9 − b bars and 1.9 + b bars. It is
known that 80% of tyres are within these safety limits. Find the safety limits)

My answer is not matching anywhere near the right answer (http://www.xtremepapers.com/CIE/International%20A%20And%20AS%20Level/9709%20-%20Mathematics/9709_s05_ms_6.pdf)


Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



I used .8 as my probability for which the Z value is .842
Then I standardised my X values to Z, so i got P( -b/0.15< Z < b/.15) =0.8

Computing that i got .06315 as my b value.


Where is the answer sheet getting ± 1.282 from?


You need 10% probability of {Z < -zc} and 10% probability of {Z > zc}, so zc = 1.28155. Thus, b/0.15 = zc = 1.28155, so b = 0.192.

RGV
 
Ray Vickson said:
You need 10% probability of {Z < -zc} and 10% probability of {Z > zc}, so zc = 1.28155. Thus, b/0.15 = zc = 1.28155, so b = 0.192.

RGV
Okay, so you're breaking up the inequality into two inequalities. smart. Thank you!
 
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