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The problem involves a particle moving in a circular path of radius R in the xy plane, with constraints on the maximum velocity components in both the x and y directions. The objective is to determine the minimum time required for the particle to complete one full revolution.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the maximum velocity constraints and explore the possibility of estimating the minimum time without calculus. Some express confusion regarding the wording of the problem and the nature of the velocity components.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants suggest that calculus may not be necessary, while others question the assumptions made about the velocity components. There is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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Some participants note the lack of information regarding the velocity as a function of time, which may impact the ability to apply calculus effectively. Additionally, there is uncertainty about the interpretation of the maximum velocity constraints provided in the problem statement.

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A particle is moving in a circle of radius R in the xy plane. During the motion, neither the x- nor y-component of the particle's velocity exceeds v. Find the minimum possible time for the particle to complete one circle. (I.e., find the minimum possible period of revolution.)

Hint 1: I don't think it can be solved without Calculus.
Hint 2: Answer is in the form of an equation without any rounding of any numbers involved.


Considering I haven't taken Calculus yet I don't know the right way to approach this problem.
 
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Since the problem says "minimum time" you can get at least an estimate without Calculus. The particle has maximum speed [itex]\sqrt{2} v[/itex] so cannot go a distance [itex]2\pi R[/itex] is less than
[tex]\dfrac{2\pi R}{\sqrt{2} v}= \sqrt{2}\pi \dfrac{R}{v}[/tex].
 
I think it means that the max possible x-component of velocity is v. But it is worded a bit vaguely.

edit: and a similar statement for y, separately.

edit again: never mind, I am being stupid. I thought there was a problem, but there is not.

edit number 3: yeah, my mistake was thinking the question gave the max values of components of velocity. But it does not. It gives upper bounds.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
The particle has maximum speed [itex]\sqrt{2} v[/itex]
Could you please explain your reasoning here?
 
hehe, yeah, I thought the same thing initially.
 
Well how would I solve the problem with Calculus?
 
Not sure but if you consider the uniform circular motion, the conditions mentioned in the problem are satisfied.

Is it possible for you to post the answer?
 
well calculus doesn't really help to get a better answer in this case. If they told you the velocity as a function of time, then you could use calculus. But they don't tell you that.
 
even without assuming uniform motion, we can still get a 'minimum time'.

edit: (as Hallsofivy has done)
 
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Well My professor stated as a hint he doesn't think it could be solved without Calculus. Could he be wrong?
 
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the way you have described the problem, I don't think you need calculus. But you should make up your own mind. (Although I guess that might be tricky if you haven't been taught what calculus is).
 

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