A (probably) simple combinatorial problem

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The problem involves a circular city with a radius of 4 containing 18 cell phone power stations, each capable of covering an area within a distance of 6. The objective is to demonstrate that at least two stations can transmit to at least five other stations, potentially utilizing the pigeonhole principle and geometric reasoning.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of the pigeonhole principle and geometric arrangements of circles to cover the larger circle. There are attempts to visualize the problem using smaller circles and their coverage.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring different configurations and reasoning about the coverage of the larger circle. Some have provided insights into how many smaller circles are needed, while others are questioning the implications of their findings and considering edge cases.

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There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions regarding the placement of stations and their coverage, particularly in relation to the center of the city and the implications of having zero or one station within a certain distance.

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Homework Statement



In a circle city of radius 4 we have 18 cell phone power stations. Each station covers the area at distance within 6 from itself. Show that there are at least two stations that can transmit to at least five other stations.


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The Attempt at a Solution



All I can say is that I'm pretty sure this is an application of the pigeonhole principle.
 
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UD1 said:

Homework Statement



In a circle city of radius 4 we have 18 cell phone power stations. Each station covers the area at distance within 6 from itself. Show that there are at least two stations that can transmit to at least five other stations.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



All I can say is that I'm pretty sure this is an application of the pigeonhole principle.

I think you have to do a little geometry as well. If you draw a circle of radius 3, then any two stations within that circle can talk to each other. Can you think of a scheme to cover a circle of radius 4 with a small number of circles of radius 3?
 
Thanks for your reply, Dick.

I don't see how you can cover a circle of radius 4 by 3 circles radius 3 each, but 4 such circles is definitely enough. For instance, putting the center of the coordinate system at the center of the circle, so that it has equation x^2+y^2=4^2, the four small circles will have equations (x\pm\sqrt{2})^2+(y\pm\sqrt{2})^2=3^2. It's easy to check that they really cover the big circle. Then by pigeonhole, at least one of the small circles contains at least five stations, so that they all can talk to each other. However, I still don't see how the result follows from this.
 
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Thanks for your reply, Dick.

I don't see how you can cover a circle of radius 4 by 3 circles radius 3 each, but 4 such circles is definitely enough. For instance, putting the center of the coordinate system at the center of the circle, so that it has equation x^2+y^2=4^2, the four small circles will have equations (x\pm\sqrt{2})^2+(y\pm\sqrt{2})^2=3^2. It's easy to check that they really cover the big circle. Then by pigeonhole, at least one of the small circles contains at least five stations, so that they all can talk to each other. However, I still don't see how the result follows from this.

Yes, you are right. That only gives you stations that can talk to four other stations. Better keep thinking about this.
 
Ok, think I'm getting a little closer. Here's a hint. If a station is within 2 units of the center of the city then it can transmit to the whole city. If there are two stations in there then you are all done. So suppose there are 0 or 1. The 1 case falls out pretty easily if you use the four circle covering. I'm still struggling with the 0 case.
 
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Ah, think I see the 0 case. How are you doing?
 

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