A problem with time dilation help?

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The discussion centers on the complexities of time dilation and the behavior of light when an observer moves at 99% the speed of light (0.99c). Participants clarify that time dilation is relative; an observer moving at 0.99c will perceive their own time as normal, while stationary observers will see their clocks running slow. The conversation emphasizes that the speed of light remains constant regardless of the observer's motion, and the addition of velocities in special relativity does not allow for speeds exceeding the speed of light. The confusion arises from the simultaneous observation of light beams moving in opposite directions relative to a fast-moving observer.

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  • #91


Your disagreement must indeed be subtle as I fail to see where you think I'm incorrect.

The only part of my post about SR is where I agree that the second postulate is indeed a postulate, do you not think the second postulate is a postulate?
 
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  • #92


TrickyDicky said:
Your disagreement must indeed be subtle as I fail to see where you think I'm incorrect.

The only part of my post about SR is where I agree that the second postulate is indeed a postulate, do you not think the second postulate is a postulate?

Sure a postulate is a postulate. :smile:
However, you agreed that a definition is a postulate. :-p
My point was that a mere definition isn't a postulate.

A postulate may be open to falsification (as is the case with both SR's postulates); and to be precise it should relate to definitions (as is also the case with both SR's postulates). In contrast, a definition is a human choice that can't be falsified (although it can be poorly chosen).

Is that too subtle?? :rolleyes:

Cheers,
Harald
 
  • #93


harrylin said:
Sure a postulate is a postulate. :smile:
However, you agreed that a definition is a postulate. :-p
My point was that a mere definition isn't a postulate.
Nope, I agreed with the definition of postulate, which is not the same as agreeing that a definition is a postulate. Hope this is not too subtle. :-p
harrylin said:
A postulate may be open to falsification (as is the case with both SR's postulates); and to be precise it should relate to definitions (as is also the case with both SR's postulates). In contrast, a definition is a human choice that can't be falsified (although it can be poorly chosen).

Is that too subtle?? :rolleyes:
Ugh, I'd say it is, but I think I can agree with this. :smile:
 
  • #94


TrickyDicky said:
Nope, I agreed with the definition of postulate, which is not the same as agreeing that a definition is a postulate. [..]

Evidently it's still not clear to you that you called a mere definition a postulate... Thus I'll have to start it as a topic. Anyway, it should become a FAQ. :smile:

Cheers,
Harald
 
  • #95


harrylin said:
Evidently it's still not clear to you that you called a mere definition a postulate... Thus I'll have to start it as a topic. Anyway, it should become a FAQ. :smile:

Cheers,
Harald

PS: On second thought I do agree with you that the way it was formulated here does fall under the second postulate: there was another subtlety in formulation that I overlooked! :blushing:
I now reiterated this topic in the new thread by rede:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=518005&page=2

Harald
 

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